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Mystifyied by that 1891 census so spent some spare credits to look at it. They are all different households at the same address on the image (only looked at the Graham page) and the men given the relationship Housemaid are actually Heads of household.

If you google Vennel, Greenock, there are some photos.

I can't get onto Familysearch either, it's been out of order on and off for a few days.

I'll have to leave it for now as something's come up, thank you all again.

Potty, yes Amanda is my daughter.

Mary would have been born before birth registration started in Ireland. familysearch has some Irish baptisms and marriages but the site doesn't seem to be working at the moment.

Liz,

Sorry, I didn't mean you were having a go at me, I was just checking that I haven't done wrong again. I think I checked for a marriage and couldn't find one.

Sandra, I'm sorry, I'm not having a go at you, just mentioning that it struck a chord.
Do you have a marriage certificate for Elizabeth at all? Maybe that would have Martha on it if she was her mother?
I'm afraid i can't access Irish records to find out more about Mary Jane and her parents.

Liz

Alviegal, that 1891 census certainly does have a lot of names for one address - over 60! And a lot of the men have the relationship housemaid!

Sandra, is your daughter Amanda? There is this thread about the family from 2009:

http://www.genesreunited.com/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/graham/thread/1136826

Copy and paste the above into your browser address bar to see the thread

alvie,
my other thread was a similar thread, it was trying to find Elizabeths birth but I'm now looking for Mary Janes siblings, does this mean that I have duplicated threads, I didn't think I had.

I knew the names on this sounded familiar Sandra, especially 71 Vennel Street. We've been through this before with the Graham family back in 2008.
Doesn't seem that long ago....lol

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1105077

Alvie, that's them thank you.

I couldn't find a birth for Elizabeth to Mary Jane & Thomas and it was suggested that Mary Jane may have had a sister called Martha as there's a birth for an Elizabeth Kirkwood with the mothers name Martha Kirkwood with no father. Maybe Mary Jane took Elizabeth on as her own.

This is the closest I'm finding for Thomas and Mary Jane. Birth certificates for the children would be the next step.

1881 Scotland Census
about Thomas Graham
Name: Thomas Graham
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Many Graham
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 567/2
Registration district: Gourock
Civil parish: Inverkip
County: Renfrewshire
Occupation: Tramway Driver
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 72
Line: 12
Roll: cssct1881_168
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Graham 35
Many Graham 33 b Ireland
Elizabeth Graham 6 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Graham 5 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Thomasina Graham 3 Gourock, Renfrew
Mary Graham 1 Gourock, Renfrew



1891 with a lot more names than this.

1891 Scotland Census
about Thomas Graham
Name: Thomas Graham
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Housemaid
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 71 Vennel
Occupation: Cab Driver
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_181
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Read 50
Jas Read 36
William McMillan 35
Mary McMillan 21
John McMillan 3
Alxander McMillan 5 MS
Thomas Graham 45
Mary Graham 43
Elizabeth Graham 17
Thomasina Graham 13
Henrietta Graham 5

Here's the on BJ found in 1871. A submitted record on IGI has her parents as John Kirkwood and Jeanie Barclay.

1871 Scotland Census
about Mary Kirkwood
Name: Mary Kirkwood
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jean Kirkwood
Gender: Female
Where born: Stevenson, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 593
Registration district: Galston
Civil parish: Galston
County: Ayrshire
Address: ?? Blair St
Occupation: Hand Loom Cotton Weaver
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 122
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_110
Household Members:
Name Age
Jean Kirkwood 53
Mary Kirkwood 24
John Kirkwood 21
George Kirkwood 20


EDIT No you can rule this family out. They are still all together in 1881.

Sorry, I have to pop out for a bit, I'll check back when I get home.

Thank you everyone.

Do you have details of any children?

It looks like Muslin Street Church, Glasgow. (Bridgeton)

Mary Jane was a Power Loom Weaver and both her parents were deceased when she married.

Thomas is a Tramway Stableman.

MARY JANE KIRKWOOD Pedigree
Female Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: THOMAS GRAHAM Family
Marriage:
13 MAY 1874 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

What other information is on the certificate? eg Thomas's occupation.

Potty,

Mary married Thomas Graham on 13-05-1874 in Glasgow.

Sandra, how did you (or your daughter) get back to Mary Jane? So you have info on any children? If we can find her on the census after her marriage, it will help to trace her back.