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Thanks for the update Alex ,it's always good to hear what's on the certs.

Hello all,

Just wanted to say a big thank you again. I received some certificates for the Benjamin family today and particularly a death certificate for 2 month old Reginald Benjamin. Interestingly he was born at the same address as Alfred Taylor and Catherine Amy Taylor. I can only conclude therefore that Alfred and Moss are one and the same person. Unfortunately Reginald died of congenital syphilis which isn't very pleasant!

Thank you so much again.

Kind regards,

Alex

Had a nice PM. Alex will be ordering a few certs.

Maureen

Alex
Many Jewish people anglicised their names to avoid prejudice.Unless Moss did this with a public announcement in the papers you wil be unlikely to prove it. But there is no doubt about Catherines marriage to Moss Benjamin and given that he does not appear as such after 1881 and does not feature in deaths it does seem a likely proposition
As Maureen says the childrens birth certs might throw some light -tho not necessarily

Hi Alex,

I have no idea if Moss and Alfred are the same person. (or even how to prove or disprove that theory)

It would be a good idea to get Maude's birth certificate to see if that holds any clues:
Births Dec 1888 (>99%)

BENJAMIN Maud Adelaide St. Geo. East 1c 359

(Actually,I'd get a few of the other children's as well...).

I can send you the image of Moss and Catherine's marriage cert from Ancestry if you PM me with your e-mail address.

Maureen

I'm being stupid, I also have a death certificate for Alfred Taylor!
Registered in Whitechapel, Mile End New Town in 1906
The informant is C.A Taylor of 9 Sarah Street Shadwell.
He's named as a Box dealer and was 49 at time of death. I Presume this must be him?

Alex

I know that Amy Louise Taylor was Married to Frances Robert Ellis for sure and her children are correct as I'm in touch with family still. Excuse my ignorance but why would Alfred anglicise his name? Would he have to do that legally i.e. change it?

As far as the family is aware we have no Jewish in our family but always had our suspicions. I'm literally floored...

As for Catherine Amy, I have her death certificate already and its says she was a widow to Alfred Taylor as husband (general dealer). She died on 22 Oct 1915 in Shadwell. This was in the family belongings so must have been hers.

I am now dying to know if Moss and Alfred are the same person. All help welcome thank you again.

Hello all

Wow i'm amazed by your help and your speed

Thank you so so much

Can someone tell me how you got to Moss Benjamin from Alfred Taylor though Would he be a second husband and is there a way to find out if he either changed names or where his marriage to Catherine Amy can be found

Sorry to sound greedy but as you can imagine i'm now a little confused also why catherine amy's name is catherine mary if married to moss benjamin in 1876 which seems odd too

thank you again really

How did you find Catherine Grubb

Amy Louisa married Francis Robert Ellis in 1899 West Ham as Taylor not Benjamin which I feel lends more weight to that being her (then )legal name

A good bit of lateral thinking, Maureen -same age , place of birth and occupation.usually when Jewish people anglicise their names there is some similarity but not always -could be!

Does anyone think it's possible that Moss and Alfred are the same person? (just to make things really difficult for us..)

Maureen

Possible death of Catherine?
Catherine A Taylor d 1915 Dec Q Stepney 1c 437 aged 59

Yes, Jan, You are absoluiely right Catherine Amy it is -a slip of the finger and too late anyway as I find everyone else ahead of me!
Have spent some time trying to find a death of Moss Benjamin but not found with the right age and place -nor can I find him 1891 or 1901
But I think it lilely there was no marriiage of Catherine and Alfred Taylor
Just a moving in together

Gillian it is above but its Catherine Amy
Name: Catherine Amy Grubb
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St George in The East
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 807

Catherine Mary Grubb married Moss Benjamin 1876 Sep Q St George in the East 1c 807

Name: Moss Benjamin
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Abraham Benjamin
Mother's Name: Louisa Benjamin
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Benjamin 56
Louisa Benjamin 51
Jane Benjamin 24
Ada Benjamin 23
Rosa Benjamin 19
Phillips Benjamin 18
Solomon Benjamin 17
Moss Benjamin 14


1891

TAYLOR, Alfred Head Married M 34 1857 Waste Paper Dealer
London
TAYLOR, Catherine A Wife Married F 34 1857 Shop Working Own
Southampton
Hampshire
TAYLOR, Amy Daughter Single F 14 1877 Feather Learner
London
TAYLOR, Ernest Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
London
TAYLOR, Horace Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
London
TAYLOR, Maud Daughter Single F 2 1889
London
TAYLOR, Reginald Son Single M 0 (2M) 1891
London

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
289 Folio:
22 Page:
37

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Shadwell Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Shadwell

Civil Parish:
Shadwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
153, High Street, Shadwell County:
London

1901 (for reference)

TAYLOR, Alfred Head Married M 44 1857 Waste Paper Dealer
Shadwell
London
TAYLOR, Catherine Wife Married F 44 1857
Southampton
Hampshire
TAYLOR, Earnest Son Single M 22 1879 Stock Keeper In Joys Trade
Shadwell
London
TAYLOR, Maud Daughter Single F 12 1889
Shadwell
London
TAYLOR, Clifford Son Single M 6 1895
Shadwell
London
TAYLOR, Hilda Daughter Single F 5 1896
Shadwell
London
TAYLOR, Evelyn Son Single M 4 1897
Shadwell
London
TAYLOR, Amy E Grand Daughter Single F 1 1900
Shadwell
London

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
316 Folio:
10 Page:
11

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Shadwell Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Pauls Shadwell

Civil Parish:
Shadwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
154, High Street, Shadwell County:
London

1881 census transcription details for: 159, St George St, St George In The East
RG number: RG11 Piece: 450 Folio: 46 Page: 43


Reg. District: St George in the East Sub District: St Mary
Parish: St George in the East Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 159, St George St, St George In The East
County: Middlesex
BENJAMIN, Mass Head Married M 24 1857 Waste Paper Dealer ?)
Nk Middlesex
BENJAMIN, Catherine Wife Married F 24 1857
N Middlesex
BENJAMIN, Amy S Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Nk Middlesex
C BENJAMIN, Ernest Son Single M 2 1879
Nk Middlesex
BENJAMIN, Horace P Son Single M 1 1880
Nk Middlesex
AMBROSE, John Boarder Single M 21 1860 Paper Sorter
Nk Middlesex


Maureen

A few more...
Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Benjamin Clifford Benjamin Stepney 1c 391

Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
Benjamin Evelyn Dennis Stepney 1c 393

Maureen

1871
Name: Catherine A Grubb
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Grubb
Mother's Name: Mary Grubb
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St George in The East
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Mary