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I did some more research on why my grand parents were in Ellesmere Port
when they were both from Wolverhampton and I found this listed.
I have attached just in case it is useful to someone else.



I've posted on this topic before asking about the Wolverhampton / Ellesmere
Port connection.
I've summarised below what I now know.
Thanks to Jennifer, Margaret & Warwick for the information.
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The Wolverhampton Corrugated Iron Company was founded in 1857 and
specialised in galvanised and black flat or corrugated sheets.
In 1905 the company established the Mersey Ironworks in Ellesmere Port on
the banks of the Shropshire Union Canal, adjacent to the main railway line.

The owners were the JONES brothers - E. Peter, Joseph and Beresford. They
were attracted from the old iron industry centre of Wolverhampton.
They chose Ellesmere Port for it's commercially strategic position, with
easy access to major ports, served by inland canals and railway, and
because land was cheap.
The major part of the company's production was exported and barges were
used to carry finished products to ships in Liverpool and Birkenhead. They
also ran their own barge fleet, all with the prefix 'Elles' before their
name 'Ellesport', 'Ellesweir', 'Elleswater' etc.

Many of the workers came from Wolverhampton and also from Dudley. The
'Wolverhamptonites' were known in the Port as "Up Womers", and many street
names in Ellesmere Port show these origins - Wolverham Rd, Dudley Rd,
Stafford Rd, Heathfield Rd.

My own g-grandfather Edmund FIRMSTONE was one of the Wolverhampton
migrants. He brought his wife Betsy FIRMSTONE (nee NICHOLLS) and 7 children
Edmund, Frank, Arthur, Albert, Walter, Florence & Horace.
Reportedly, 300 families made this migration en masse. Some of them walked
along the Shropshire Union Canal with their possessions to get to Ellesmere
Port.

Well planned housing estates were built by the WCIC for their workers.
Stanlaw Villas was built along Whitby road for the managers of the company.
The company also built in the Victoria Ward, east of the railway and this
included Princes Road and Heathfield Road. Stanlaw Cottages were part of
this development in Whitby Road.

For 35 years this company dominated the economy of the town. The company
was the first really big employer to come to the town and in it's heyday
employed over 2000 men and 30 women in the offices.

The W.C.I. eventually changed its name to "Burnells Iron and Steel Company".
Burnells was reportedly pretty antiquated and hadn't modernised at all. Men
were still rolling steel sheets by hand by passing the sheets through the
rollers.
My grandfather, Edmund FIRMSTONE was a "heaver-over" which I believe was
someone who was manually handling these sheets of iron.

The iron works was taken over by British Steel in the early sixties and
then closed down.


Some names of men employed at WCIC / Burnells in Ellesmere Port (some
family, some not) -
Edmund FIRMSTONE senior b Wolverhampton 1859, d 1944 Ellesmere Port
Edmund FIRMSTONE junior b Wolverhampton 1886, d 1970 Ellesmere Port
John Walter ELLIS b Shropshire 1853
William HARRIS senior
William Lewis HARRIS b 1910 Ellesmere Port
William HARRISONb 1920 Ellesemere Port
William PATTIN b Wolverhampton, d 1939
William HAMPTON b Wolverhampton?
Alan DAVIES


I'd be glad to hear from anyone who can provide any more information about
this subject.

Richard Beesley
Auckland, New Zealand

Wow Ann, I only just realized that you have added a whole new set of information on Edward. Thank you. I'm of to check it out. I didn't see the second page until I left this message
;-)

From the 1911 census i find that my grandmother Sarah Jane Cope and her husband Edward Goodall 1864 had there first 2 children in Ellesmere Port, Cheshire.
They were both born in Wolverhampton. Ellesmere Port is near Liverpool. It's quite a way for them to travel back then. She may have had 3 children there. One child is registered a deceased in 1911 census. I can only imagine that he was a sailor. I know they returned to Wolverhampton because my father was born in Wolverhampton. But would it be usual for a wife to be with her husband in a port back then? I have googled it but come up with nothing. Any navel experts out there? My dad was a navel officer too so it would fit that he came from a navel family.
ps just found a problem with this assumption. He is listed as fitter labourer
on the census also.

???

Edward Goodall
England Marriages, 1538–1973
birth:
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Henry Goodall
spouse: Annie Poynor
child:
marriage: 27 Sep 1886 — Walsall, Statford, England

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Edward Goodall
bride's name: Annie Poynor
marriage date: 27 Sep 1886
marriage place: Walsall, Statford, England
groom's father's name: Henry Goodall
bride's father's name: James Poynor
indexing project (batch) number: M06065-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1526217

Edward Goodall
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1864 — Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Edward Goodall
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 37
relationship to head of household: Brother
birthplace: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Wolverhampton
sub-district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ecclesiastical parish: St James
civil parish: Wolverhampton
county: Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton Eastern, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Edward Goodall
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
christening: 04 Apr 1864 — St. George's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Richard Goodall, Elizabeth
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Edward Goodall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 04 Apr 1864
baptism/christening place: St. George's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
father's name: Richard Goodall
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: I01832-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040911

Edward Goodall
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
christening: 19 Jun 1864 — St. James, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Richard Goodall, Betsy
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Edward Goodall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 19 Jun 1864
baptism/christening place: St. James, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
father's name: Richard Goodall
mother's name: Betsy
indexing project (batch) number: C01173-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040909

Thanks Ann, I have to work today but I will try that shortly and see if I can find a link to Edward Goodall who would have been born in 1864 according to the 1911 census.
K

it's from the free Mormon LDS site - when you open up a census page on there you will see there is an advanced search in the top right and corner - click on that and see what comes up - when you do find someone you can then go further back by clicking on their name as I did in the postings I made - that's as far back as I could get

it's from the free Mormon LDS site - when you open up a census page on there you will see there is an advanced search in the top right and corner - click on that and see what comes up - when you do find someone you can then go further back by ckicking on their name as I did in the postings I made - that's as far back as I could get

Hi Ann,

still working on it.

Could you tell me where you did the search and what it the refeneces that look like
AFN: 88SQ-HW come from? Is this somewhere i can search?

thanks kamala

my pleasure - had a good time digging it all up!!!

Ann X

This is a whole lot more information though and I am really going to put it to good use. You have given me more information than I have found on my own in about 3 yrs. I still have the issue with which Edward she was married to.
I have ordered a birth certificate on the one born in 1864 since that works with the age he is on the 1911 census. It's all very confusing. They are born in Wolverhampton yet they are having there first 2 living children in Cheshire. It's Ellesmere Port so I guess he is a sailor. Still,it's a long way to travel back then. They were both born in wolverhampton. I am getting a little crazy trying to work it out. I just called my sister in uk she is ordering the certificates from Wolverhampton.
Thanks lots.

Thank you so much Ann, I found it thank goodness. i am off to read it all now. I really appreciate your help. I will not make this mistake again.

bit naughty this you know - see you already had a posting on this family yesterday - GR only allow one posting per person/family

???

Edward Goodall
England Marriages, 1538–1973
birth: 1865
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Henry Goodall
spouse: Annie Poynor
child:
marriage: 27 Sep 1886 — Walsall, Statford, England

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Edward Goodall
groom's birth date: 1865
groom's age: 21
bride's name: Annie Poynor
bride's birth date: 1867
bride's age: 19
marriage date: 27 Sep 1886
marriage place: Walsall, Statford, England
groom's father's name: Henry Goodall
bride's father's name: James Poynor
indexing project (batch) number: M06065-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1526217

Sarah J Cope
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1887 — Whampton, Staffordshire
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Sarah J Cope
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 14
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Whampton, Staffordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Wolverhampton
sub-district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
civil parish: Wolverhampton
county: Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton Eastern, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

name: Frances WILLIAMS
gender: Male
birth: 1768 <

AFN: CCQ9-KK

Marriages (1)
spouse: Elizabeth (AFN: CCQ9-LQ )
Hide children (1)

child 1: Eleanor WILLIAMS (AFN: 3RMN-RC )
gender: Female
birth: 1813 <

name: Eleanor WILLIAMS
gender: Female
birth: 1813 <

christening: 1794 Nov 20
Trysull, Staffs, England
AFN: 3RMN-RC

Parents
father: Frances WILLIAMS (AFN: CCQ9-KK )
mother: Elizabeth (AFN: CCQ9-LQ )

Marriages (1)
spouse: William COPE (AFN: 3RMQ-JF )
Show children (5)

name: John COPE
gender: Male
birth: 1774 <

AFN: 3RMP-2V

Marriages (1)
spouse: Mary (AFN: 3RMP-32 )
Hide children (1)

child 1: William COPE (AFN: 3RMQ-JF )
gender: Male
birth: 1800 Sep 28
Stourport, Worcs., Eng