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Sorry it is Richard.

I was thinking if another ancestor.

Name: Richard Greenwood
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Oct 1809
> Baptism/Christening Place: Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
> Father's Name: James Greenwood
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04743-2 **
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545708
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Richard Greenwood
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 488

just been re-reading this thread and read this which sounds as though you have 2 James Greenwood's. Which is yours please

"John Greenwood, James dad married Betty Whitehead, Susannah's daughter."

"And on James marriage cert it states Richard as his father."

Sorry - I am still not sure how you found Susannah is the correct grandmother for your James Greenwood (as you know there are many James Greenwoods including several with father Richard)

is this one yours

Baptisms: 28 Jun 1837 Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Trawden, Lancashire, England
John Greenwood - Son of Richd. Greenwood & Betty
Born: 18 Jul 1832
Abode: Trawden
Baptised by: Benj.m Frankland
Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1837, Page 54, Entry 412
Source: PRO Film 560905


edit - apologies this is a John not James

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Ann

I am sure I have checked this marriage out before.

I don't think I could find a James Greenwood as son on future Census records.
And on James marriage cert it states Richard as his father.

Thanks

the link between Greenwood & Whitehead

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
GREENWOOD Hannah Oldham Above Town Oldham WHITEHEAD OAT/1/210

Marriage: 6 Jan 1833 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Henry Greenwood - (X), Weaver of Oldham
Betty Whitehead - (X), Spinster of Oldham
Witness: Jonathan Jackson; Ralph Jackson
Married by Banns by: J. Fallowfield
Register: Marriages 1831 - 1833, Page 219, Entry 656
Source: LDS Film 1656119

Jacksons seem popular as witnesses

This looks like Johns second marriage to Mary

Both John and Mary were Widower and Widow

Marriage: 13 Dec 1840 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
John Whitehead - (X), full Labourer Widower of Crompton
Mary Fox - (X), full Widow of Crompton
Witness: Abram Jackson; John Jackson
Married by Banns by: J. Fallowfield
Register: Marriages 1840 - 1841, Page 142, Entry 283
Source: LDS Film 1656120

This could be his first wife.

Marriage: 21 Aug 1831 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
John Whitehead - of Crompton
Sarah Crossley - of Crompton
Witness: Geo. Kay; Abrm. Kay
Married by Banns by: George Dugard
Register: Marriages 1828 - 1831, Page 346
Source: LDS Film 2356186

She must have died before 1841
Children??

Name: Betty Greenwood
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton and Oldham
Sub-registration district: Crompton

Betty Greenwood 30
Hannah Greenwood 2
William Greenwood 5
Mary Whitehead 35
James Whitehead 40
John Whitehead 40

This is the 1841 record I found that links James Greenwood with his grandmother Susannah to his mum Betty Greenwood. His father John died in 1838.

Hi Ann

I must have found him somewhere, but my record states 1841 census.
Maybe I found him in a different home not with his mum and James Greenwood.
I don't have access to ancestry right now to check.
He would have been old enough to be married my 1841.
I wonder if he married after 1837.

I will check again

The marriage for Susannah above could well be right, the church covers the Crompton area.

Prestwich-cum-Oldham (also known as Prestwich with Oldham)[1][2] was an ancient ecclesiastical parish of the hundred of Salford, within the historic county boundaries of Lancashire, England. With the Parish Church of St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich as its centre, this parish encompassed a total of ten townships,[2] and within them, several smaller chapelries.

Prestwich-cum-Oldham was divided in to two non-contiguous sections: the townships of Alkrington, Great Heaton, Little Heaton, Pilkington, Prestwich, and Tonge on the west; Chadderton, Crompton, Oldham and Royton on the east. The parish of Middleton divided these two portions of Prestwich-cum-Oldham from north to south. The parish covered 21,625 acres (87.51 km2) and was noted in 1851 to have a population of 94,470, and again in 1861, to have 117,961.[3]

the marriage was on lan-opc.org.uk.

How did you find John please. You originally said 1841 but he does not appear on either the 1841 or 1851 posted above.

Hi Ann

I don't know who or where John married.

The marriage might the right one
How did you find it?

who and where did John Whitehead marry please

how about this one

Marriage: 17 Apr 1796 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Joseph Whitehead - of Crompton
Susannah Hollows - (X), of Crompton
Witness: Thomas Brennand; Edw. Redford
Married by Banns by: James Lyon
Register: Marriages 1793 - 1800, Page 106
Source: LDS Film 2113205

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Marriages Dec 1838
xxx BROADBENT Joseph Ashton &c. 20 79
DALLENGER Sophia Ashton &c. 20 79
LEEN Patrick Ashton 20 79
MARSH Betty Ashton &c. 20 79
O'CONNOR Alice Ashton &c. 20 79
PARROT Robert Ashton &c. 20 79
TAYLOR Robert Ashton &c 20 79
xxx WHITEHEAD Hannah Ashton &c. 20 79

John's mother's name does not show on census records............

Susannah's husband's name on his children marriage details.

John Whitehead was Uncle to James Greenwood and son of Susannah Whitehead who are all ancestors of mine.

John Greenwood, James dad married Betty Whitehead, Susannah's daughter.

How many John Whiteheads are there with mothers called Susannah born in Crompton.

There are many John Whiteheads around.
How do you know you are tracking the correct one, and what connection are you to him?
Thanks

Thanks everyone

You have the right census records.

Susannah Whitehead is James Greenwoods Grandmother on the 1841

I am looking for Susannah's husband and details of John Whitehead born in 1801.

Can you post the 1841 details as it would be useful to see who he is living with and what was his occupation

Several options on 1851