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The witnesses were John and Mary Smith .both bride and grooms fathers were ag labourers .,the groom a fisherman .
Both gave thier address as Goodmans Yard Scarborough.

Rose Ann is age 30 on 1861 census and age 28 on 1865 mrg cert.

On 1841 census with Christopher Tate she is 12 years old. with a brother George age 9 and sister Sarah age 6 . .

Templemore was a British Army Garrison , so if John Davis's father was a soldier he and Rose could have mrd anywhere .

Im so tempted to spend 5 euros looking at that baptism . Thank you for that .

I have to go out shortly . I promised my sister I would go to a Sunday Market with her.I would much rather spend my day on Family History .

Thankyou again for your interest . .Lynda

Lynda

Who were the witnesses on the marriage cert...also the address of the couple and the occupations of the groom and the fathers?

Maybe she never married 'Davis' and just assumed the name to hide an illigitimate birth?

Im guessing at the moment

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php

Church Baptism Davis John 1847 Co. Tipperary


This 'might' be Johns birth and give us more info but dont rush into paying 5 Euros at the moment to view the full record

So this would be Rose Ann Tate?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Tate
Name: Mary Ann Tate
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Scarborough
COUNTY: Yorkshire - East Riding, Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire
Volume: 24
Page: 393 (click to see others on page)


I cant see a marriage for her to a Davis either?

.The marriage cert for Rose Ann Davis and Wlm Brackenbury arrived today.

They were mrd Scarborough Register Office 03/09/1865 .

Rose Ann gives her age as 28 and her fathers name as Christopher Tate .

I found Rose and Christopher[ bn 1806.] on 1841 Census living Quay St Scarborough.. The name Tate has been transcribed as Fate.

Then found a Christopher Tate on LDS SITE bn Scarborough 1798 .Also a mrg for a Christopher Tate to an Elizabeth Beech 1824 Scarborough.

I found a Christopher Tate on 1851 census bn 1796 Falsgrave . This is mistranscribed as Tawglive He is a widower . and his sister Jane Tate and son George is living with him.

Still no sign of a birth or first marriage for Rose Ann

Thankyou all who helped me with this , Special thanks to Ginny for steering me in the right direction.

Lynda

It should come before then...I think they just play it safe

Cant wait!

x

Ginny

I've just ordered the mrg cert online from GRO and it states EST dispatch date 28/04/2011.

I ordered a different one fom Hartlepool RO this am and it will be here in 5 days.

Oh well Ive waited 3 years for Roses maiden name , I'll just have to wait 3 weeks .

Thank you again for the nudge in the right direction.

Lynda

Ginny ,

Thanks for the tip re the 2nd page , what a fool I am not to notce that. Also how stupid of me not to think of sending for Rose's second mrg cert. .

Iam going to order that right now .

Will definately keep you informed of my progress..

Lynda

Well.......looky here!


ROSE ANN FARRAR Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 MAR 1834 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England

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Parents:
Father: JOHN FARRAR Family
Mother: SARAH

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C053882 1813 - 1847 0919206, 0919208 Film 6910047 Film



Her first born son was called John...not an uncommon name but another lead that points to her being your girl..maybe

If you get Roses second marriage certificate it should have her fathers name on which will confirm her maiden name


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Name: William Brackenbury
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Scarborough
County: Yorkshire - East Riding, Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire
Volume: 9d
Page: 529

Youre welcome Lynda....the price you pay for the help is....

...to come back and let us know when you get the certificates!!

Fingers crossed

x

Yes I think thats a good theory Ginny , I ,m going to do a few searches on the Farrer family in Scarborough .

Thankyou for taking an interest and the time to look for me

The one forJohn Farrer , yes maybe I could try that , Im ordering the brothers today , but dont hold much hope.
I have a feeling they had different fathers and thats a good theory re her being sent to Ireland .

Lynda

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Rose got pregnant had the baby and was shuffled off to Ireland out of the way?

Might be worth getting that birth certificate

Thankyou for looking on findmypast

I Cant find a Rose Ann in 1851 , I thought maybe she was in Ireland in an army garrison .

Oh that is interesting , I wonder if she was an unmarried mother and mrd
Davis after John was born .

Thankyou Ginny

Yes Maddie thats what I thought , but I have.nt got a clue how to look for the mrg without a definate sur name for Rose Ann

Now this might be very interesting?



Births Mar 1849 (>99%)
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FARRAR John Grieves Scarbro 24 557



I cant see this boy in the 1851???

They did round down ages by up to 5 years on the 1841 census, so Rose could have been old enough

John was 10 on the 1861 census making his birth about 1751?