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I am trying to find the birth of my grandfather william pearce, i have his marriage certificate and his death certificate but alas no birth certificate.
He married a lady by the name of florence ada powis on the 7th oct 1933 aged 44 years and he died 5th dec 1942 aged 54 years.His mothers name was eliza jane rivers and his fathers name was william as well who was a licenced victualler.His parents married in may 1891 at ALL SAINTS ROTHERHITHE william seniors father was called james pearce
Any help would be greatfully received as my father wants to get a head stone now we have found where he is buried but wants to get the dates correct.
Thanks for taking the time to read this

julia

Hello.....did your grandfather have any siblings?

Suzanne

Name: Eliza Jane Rivers
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: William Pearce
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 May 1891
Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Rivers
Spouse Father Name: James Pearce

Would he not be registered as Rivers as his parents were not married?

but his parents were married jax

i dont know if he had any siblings suzanne

julia

1901 census has William junior aged 11....methinks he may have been born Rivers. Also there is a big age gap between William senior and Eliza Jane.

Suzanne

Who witnessed his own marriage to Florence Ada?

Suzanne

They were not married when he was born 1888/89??

The witnesses were florences father charles and a d.a. whiter

Hello again.......what makes you give Eliza Jane Rivers as his mother? Could either William senior or Eliza Jane have been married more than once? Does it say bachelor and spinster on the certificate?

Do you have the family on 1911 census?

Did William junior go to the first world war?

Suzanne

On their marriage cert thay were bachelor and spinster respectivly he was a
commissioned signal boatswain based in portsmouth on HMS VICTORY based in portsmouth

On their marriage cert thay were bachelor and spinster respectivly he was a
commissioned signal boatswain based in portsmouth on HMS VICTORY based in portsmouth

Why can't I find William aged 11 with parents in 1901?


Eliza Jane in 1871

Name: Eliza J Rivers
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George J Rivers
Mother's Name: Mary A Rivers
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town

Eliza Jane in 1881

Name: Eliza J. Rivers
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bristol St James and St Paul Out
Street Address: "The New Orphan Houses" Ashley Down

Eliza Jane in 1891?


Births Mar 1869
Rivers Eliza Jane Mile End 1c 570


edit - duh -- 1901

Name: Wm Pearce
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm Pearce
Mother's Name: Eliza Jane Pearce
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey

Wm Pearce 53
Eliza Jane Pearce 32
Wm Pearce 11

The parents were spinster/batchlor and william was a clerk

jax

yes jax thats right

youve got it right to JC

so why cant we find his birth ?

ive spent years on this and got know where lol
though a few new pairs of eyes might help

julia

Seems to me the big thing is to find him / Eliza / William Sr in 1891!

Have you found any of them?

William Sr in 1861

Name: William Pearce
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Ck;By
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, London, England

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: At Sea

Births Mar 1848 ?
Pearce William Poplar 2 362

This looks like him in 1871

Name: William Dearce
[William Pearce]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Harrow

Civil parish: St John The Evangelist

John Gilby 53 - victualler
Mary Gilby 48
Susannah Gilby 86
William Dearce 24 - potman


Are you the person who corrected the name at Ancestry, or are you in touch with that person?

Eliza Jane was in Bristol in 1881 ...


Name: William Pearce
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Pearce
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: "Horse Shoe & Talbot"
Condition as to marriage: Married
> Occupation: Licensed Victualler

William Pearce 39
Louisa Pearce 39
Mary A.L. Pearce 14
William Pearce 10
Rose Pearce 6
Thomas Pearce 4
Lilly Pearce 2
Emma Pearce
Malina Hawkins 16


edit -- They're still there in 1891 and 1901, so there's him ruled out!

JC thats my dad on ancestry