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Sorry, yes more likely :-D think I might subscribe to find my past!

you saw my second post ? :-)

Thanks Chrissiex, I have him in Glasgow in 1902 & 1905 and his youngest was born 1922, so I would have thought he left around 1921/22 at the earliest :-S Unless he worked away from home?

conversely could this be his passage to Gold Coast

GAUGHAN J 1878 M 1925 Liverpool Ghana (Gold Coast) Sekondi-Takoradi

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

someone who has a subscription to findmypast could look up the details

I wonder could this be your John Gaughan ?



National Archives of South Africa (NASA)
Database: All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records
NAAIRS - Result Details

DEPOT KAB
SOURCE 3/CT
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 4/1/3/74
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE D79/3
PART 0
DESCRIPTION EXPIRED AGREEMENTS WITH OFFICIALS: NO 30: JOHN GAUGHAN, PIPELAYER.
STARTING 1902
ENDING 1902


http://www.national.archives.gov.za/index.htm

click 'Search National Automated Archival Information Retrieval System'
click 'All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records'

there is also this in 1905


DEPOT KAB
SOURCE DOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 4/1/1113
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 1155
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MORTGAGE BOND. JOHN GAUGHAN.
STARTING 19050000
ENDING 19050000


I'm sorry I haven't really got the timeline clear so I'm not sure whether that is a possibility


there is also this in 1922


DEPOT KAB
SOURCE CSC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 2/2/1/378
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 261
PART 1
DESCRIPTION RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. EXECUTOR OF ESTATE LATE HESTER ELOISE FLETCHER (BORN ELLIOTT) VERSUS JOHN GAUGHAN.
STARTING 19220000
ENDING 19220000


unfortunately I doubt that there is such a thing as bmds for Gold Coast let alone free :-)

I thought John Gaughan died in South Africa (through word of mouth in family) but my heritage has just shown me a possable match where John died in Gold Coast, Africa around Oct/Nov 1926? Can anyone point me in right direction for Gold Coast free bmd's?

Thanks Cath!

Maybe get some hits. Not sure of time difference in SA. Good luck.

Cath

Try changing your heading now to South African deaths.

Catherine

I believe John Gaughan (1880 Ireland) emigrated & died between 1922 (his youngest son's birth year) and 1947 (wife Norah's death cert shows deceased) somewhere in South Africa? Can anyone help with South Africa emigration & deaths?? I believe he was working for McAlpine contractors in the UK & South Africa.

John Gaughan (born 1880c Ireland) My Great Grandfather is causing me a real headache! He married Norah Welsh 03/03/1899 Preston England (according to daughter Catherine and son Anthony's birth cert). I know he was born in Ireland but still looking for confirmation. I cant find any registration on his marriage :-( As he settled in Clydebank near Glasgow I have spent a lot of credits on Scotlands people trying to find his death date that should give me his parents names. I have had no joy but after a few phone calls to relatives tonight I have found he died in South Africa when working for McAlpine's Contractors. His occupation on Norah's death cert shows General Contractors Foreman.

Hi Andy,
Came across this site with some info about name derivations of Gaughan that may be of interest www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/.../gahagan_eng_1861_b_mayo.html

Sorcha

There's a Preston in East Lothian

I now have Patrick Welsh & Bridget Schall parents to Norah (Honora) Welsh Norah born around 1879 Ireland married Preston 03/03/1889 deceased 23/02/1947 in Old Kilpatrick area of Clydebank.

Hi Andy,
There are two births on rootsireland for a Honora Walsh variant of Welsh in 1873 and 1875 with father being Patrick and mother Bridget in county Mayo.
The surname Gaughan is also most prevalent in the west of Ireland around Mayo but as you say it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Regards,
Sorcha

Thanks Catherine, thats a real help. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack! John fathered a Michael in 1922 after the war but maybe he wasn't the father :-0 At least this gives me start for Norah. I checked out Scotlands people, her parents are Patrick Welsh & Bridget Schall? Norah's death 23/02/1947 Cerebral Heamorage, signed by Martin Gaughan, one of her oldest sons.

Norah Welsh died -

1947 GAUGHAN HONORA WELSH F 68 OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON

On SP if you open it you will get her parents.

I have searched for John without any success. I was wondering if maybe in died in WW1.

Regards

Catherine

I have 2 certs for Catherine & Anthony and both marriage dates exactly the same even though they were born 18 years apart, I don't have the death dates for John & Norah, I have no idea what so ever except between 1922 & 1953. I will get onto Scotland's people as I think as they settled here they must have died here but there are so many possibilities?? After struggling to find the marriage cert I have considered the possibility they never really got wed after all!

I still can't see a marriage on Freebmd for John and Norah. I am wondering if they actually married or just gave that date and place to save face? Is the date and place of the marriage consistent on all the birth certificates please?


This may be a red herring but there is this marriage on Scotlandspeople. Could Norah have been Bridget Norah but known as Norah?

1904 GAUGHAN JOHN WALSH BRIDGET MORNINGSIDE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/06 0301
1904 GAUGHAN JOHN WALSHE BRIDGET MORNINGSIDE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/06 0301


If John and Norah died in Scotland then their death registration will give their parents names if the informant knew the details.




It wasn't uncommon for a couple who married after they had children to marry outwith the area where they lived and were already thought to be married.

Thanks to rootgatherer & Sorcha I have a copy of the 1901 census and the copy of Catherine Gaughan's birth cert. Catherine & my Grandfather Anthony Birth cert both confirm date of John & Norah's marriage date but I cant find the marriage cert?
I now have John Gaughan married to Norah Welsh 03/03/1899 Preston.
Parents to:
Catherine Gaughan born 11/12/1899 Glasgow
Anthony Gaughan born 28/01/1917 Clydebank
Michael Gaughan born 20/01/1922 Clydebank

Any help on the marriage cert would be appreciated as this should show John & Norah's birthplace and dates. The census shows them as Irish but I dont know where in Ireland & their ages suggest John born 1880 & Norah 1879 :-S