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I have reviewed the 1901 Gateshead census and have decided I do not have the right George. His occupation according to the Marriage Certificate, of which I have the download-image, is 'Accountant'. In view of his offence of forgery and embezzlement from the Glasgow City Chamberlain, he would very probably have lost his position as an accountant. I reject Gateshead on other grounds of family consistency

Ian, I just don't understand why you're riding madly off in all directions instead of focusing!

The marriage certificate you have for *your* George -- does it say his occupation?

The George I posted in Gateshead in 1901 -- and I have asked over and over and over for you to tell us what 1901 household you were talking about in your *first post* and you have just refused to say -- that George was a waterman. I posted a George in the 1891 in Scotland who was a mariner and matched in other respects with the George in Gateshead in 1901.

You just aren't focusing on what you *know* and using it to find other info. If you know George's occupation from his marriage certificate, that is one bit of info that would be eminently helpful in evaluating other possibilities.

To all who have helped thanks for time, interest and info. It looks as if this is the end of the line. I've come across Catherine Aderne, but she proved NOT to be George's spouse-----unless George remarried, or married bigamously to Catherine Aderne, riding on the similarity of ADERNE to NAIRNE??. That would explain the Gateshead census...but this is a question which I guess will remain unanswered.
I have had a communication from 'Slug and lettuce' with info that George Hall was charged with forgery and other matters in the office of Glasgow City Chamberlain..and he was an accountant!!

Is there any chance at all of the 1901 census being produced

???????

-- or is it now seeming that the statement in the opening post that the family was in Gateshead in 1901 was based on an incorrect identification?

This says that George Tudor Hall (1862-1898) married Catherine Aderne.

George Tudor HALL
1862 - 1898

Accountant

Life History
1862
Born

1886
Birth of son George Tudor HALL

15th Aug 1888
Birth of daughter Beatrix Tudor HALL

about 1890
Birth of son William HALL

about 1891
Birth of daughter Amelia Jane HALL

1898
Died


Other facts

Married Catherine ADERNE

From this site:

http://ancestry.lyall-web.co.uk/indiI123.html

Catherine in the 1891/1901 censuses was born in St Andrews

Katherine was 23. The witnesses were Andrew and Ann, but census retruns for 1871/81 show her parents as Andrew and Jessie. She was born in Petty, invernesshire

Does the 1891 for Catherine match the details on the marriage cert for parents and occupation of her father

That 1901 census for Gateshead has been ruled out already by an earlier posting


If you have the marriage cert then can you please say how old Katherine was when she married George and also the names of her parents

If she can be found in 1881 or earlier to would help us to find her in 1891 or 1901


Where was Amelia born?

1901 Gateshead:

George Hall
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hall 38
Catherine Hall 38
George Hall 11
John Hall 8
James Scott 24

Found this for 1901 (Scottish)
Cathernie Nairne
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Alexander Nairne
Gender: Female
Where born: Dunning, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil parish: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: 5 Readdies Bds Dunkeld Rd
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 85
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_124
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Nairne 34
Cathernie Nairne 35
NB Perth

Is there any chance that you could actually give us this:

"They next show up in 1901 in Gateshead"

? You can copy information into the thread just as the rest of us can. And it's quite appropriate to acknowledge and respond to questions.

edit -- I just picked up your PM re Katherine's name. Thank you -- but I still want to see the 1901 census!

Have the search result, but when signed by Ebenezer Hall, its fairly certain especially when I should have typed in KATHERINE, not KATHLEEN

I queried the christian name as you said Kathleen Nairne

Do you have the marriage cert or just the search result?

18 1886 HALL GEORGE TUDOR NAIRNE KATHERINE DOUGL BLACKFRIARS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 0040
I have copied and pasted this from the Scotlands People search I did for george's wedding. Why 'Catherine'- just a census mis-spelling?
The above entry was witnessed by Ebenezer Hall/Minister
The plot thickens as I find Catherine Nairne living with her parents in 1891
Done a copy/paste

Cathrine Nairne
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: James Nairne
Mother's Name: Jessie Fraseror Nairne
Gender: Female
Where born: Petty, Inverness-Shire
Registration Number: 122
Registration district: Cawdor
Civil parish: Cawdor
County: Nairnshire
Address: Brough Mary
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1891_35
Household Members:
Name Age
James Nairne 53
Jessie Fraseror Nairne 49
Cathrine Nairne 25
Jessie Nairne 22
William G Nairne 18
Adam C Nairne 13
Maggie Nairne 11
Annie Nairne 9
Jessie C Nairne 3 Mos

Is there any criminal record for Scotland. The fact is that Beatrix was living with her grandfather in 1891, at age 2, and separated from younger siblings
1891- I can find no trace of either William Tudor nor George Tudor in Scottish or English census

1891 just for info

Name: Ebenezer Hall
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Amelia J Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 332 Duke St
Occupation: City Missionary
ED: 27
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1891_249
Household Members: Name Age
Ebenezer Hall 61
Amelia J Hall 63
Amelia A Hall 35
Kate Hall 26
Edith T Hall 20
Beatrice T Hall 2

1901 just forinfo

Name: Beatrix Hall
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relationship: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil parish: Glasgow Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 332 Duke Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 23
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1901_273
Household Members: Name Age
Ebenezer Hall 71
Angelia Hall 73
George Hall 14
Beatrix Hall 12
Minnie Hall 40



So where is Beatrix in 1891?

Where was Amelia born ?

Also not found a Catherine Hall in 1891 but why should she be Catherine if she married as Kathleen

If you'd like to actually provide information like the 1901 household in Gateshead, someone might be able to help.

Without anyone else having the information you have, it's a wild goose chase.

I can't see any household in Gateshead in 1901 that looks like these people.
- edit - or any Catherine Hall in Perth in 1891 who matches what you have said.

If there were two sons named George, presumably the first one died before the second one was born ...

Janey, hope you pick all this up. It looks as if the earlier children may, like Beatrix , have gone to live with aunts/uncles. WAS there some disgrace, was George in prison, did Catherine make a false entry on the 1891 register? We may never know, suppose