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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Chinnor Road, Chinnor, Wycombe, Oxfordshire, England

Benjamin Ratley Male 60 1781 -
Mary Ratley Female 30 1811 Oxfordshire, England
Sarah Ratley Female 30 1811 Oxfordshire, England
Rachael Ratley Female 10 1831 Oxfordshire, England

Looks like Rachel was illegitimate as well

All three females are Lace Makers


RATLEY, MARY 36
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in THE WYCOMBE UNION Volume 06 Page 238

For some reason, this one isn't on the GRO site

First name(s) SARAH
Last name RATLEY
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1842
District Wycombe

RATLEY, BENJAMIN 75
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in THE WYCOMBE UNION Volume 06 Page 286

Back to the Holderness line

First name(s) John
Last name Holderness
Name note -
Marriage year 1797
Marriage date 02 Feb 1797
Marriage place Bray
Spouse's first name(s) Lydia
Spouse's last name Wells
County Berkshire

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bray Wick, Bray, Cookham, Berkshire, England
John Holderness Male 65 1776 Berkshire, England
Lydia Holderness Female 60 1781 Berkshire, England
William Cotrell Male 2 1839

Deaths
HOLDERNESS, LYDIA 70
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in COOKHAM Volume 06 Page 139

HOLDERNESS, JOHN 73
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in COOKHAM Volume 06 Page 118

First name(s) John
Last name Holderness
Baptism year 1774
Baptism date 14 Oct 1774
Place Bray
Church St Michael
Relationship son of
Father's first name Thomas
Father's last name Holderness
Father's residence Braywick
Mother's first name Elizabeth
Mother's last name Holderness

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Holderness
Name note -
Marriage year 1769
Marriage date 27 Nov 1769
Marriage place Bray
Spouse's first name(s) Eliz
Spouse's last name Wright

Am I right in thinking that these two John Holderness above are the same?
Just that it states that his birth 1776 but then in the lower one states that Baptism year was 1774 which is two years before??

Sorry x

Speculating now.................so be cautious

Can't find baptisms for Sarah and Mary, which are needed for confirmation

First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Ratley
Year 1806
Event date 24 Sep 1806
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name White
Parish Crowell
County Oxfordshire
Country England

Ages in 1841 were rounded down to nearest 5 for over-15's.


In any case, birth years on censuses are estimated, based on the person's declared age.

So, census taken - say - 31st March..................

Someone born 30th March will appear on a census with an estimated birth year one in advance of someone born 1st April same year

Doesn't apply in 1841, as I've already explained
Look at ANY census record on Ancestry and you will see that the birth year is clearly defined as 'estimated'

Just found Sarah Ratley's death on the GRO site - will notify them of their error

RAILEY, SARAH 32
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in THE WYCOMBE UNION Volume 06 Page 303

32 years it no age at all is it.

And Mary was only 36 - as posted earlier

Its shocking, i'll have to order the death certificates to see what they died of.

This Holderness family has really got me hooked and I don't know why, something has got me biting at the bait.

To All

Wow 5 generations back, and showing as coming from the Bray, Berkshire area.
Not to far from me at all, so when this situation we are all in is over I shall be paying a visit to the area, maybe see if there are any Parish records that I can gain access to. Would love to know more about this family.

<3

Erika .............

I'm just asking as I have been amazed at how you have worked out all the ramifications of this family for Samantha .......

did you look at FreeReg??

Is it possible that there would be some Parish Records on there?

Thanks for the kind words

Didn't get that far, Sylvia.

A good idea for Samantha, though

ErikaH

How can you say that you didn't get that far???

You have done an amazing job and I am truly grateful.

FreeReg I've not heard of this.

Regards
Samantha

Samantha .............

FreeReg is a free site where volunteers are transcribing parish registers.

You might have to play with it a little as you might have to work out how to get variations in spellings. Name Soundex does give variations, but many of them might be way out in left field.

This is the site ..........

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Hello

Just been giving it a go, no results as yet.
But hoping that I might come across something.

Kind regards
Samantha

On FMP, possible baptism for Lydia Wells
22 Feb 1778 at Wasing, Berkshire
Parents Francis and Elizabeth

Can’t C&P, as I’m on my iPad now,

Samantha ..............

you may not find anything on FreeReg, but it is another tool in the toolbox of free sites :-)

Parents
Father:
Francis WELLS: Birth: 1746 in White Waltham, Berkshire, England.
Mother:
Elizabeth LUCKINS: Birth: 1748 in Berkshire, England.