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Thanks again to everyone who has helped me on this thread. Your assistance is much appreciated.

Christina. x

mgnv,

I really need to get to grips with searching Lancashire bmd indexes and I'd no idea they had them for North Wales (I think I should google more!)

That confirms the census finds of Andy & Maureen very nicely and I can now send for his birth cert.

Thank you so much,
Christina. x

Maureen,

I think you're right, 'both of this parish' makes more sense.

That may be him in 1861. Wonder if Elizabeth is his sister Betsey?

There is a marriage for an Elizabeth Lowe to Thomas Downward in Ellesmere in 1852.

I think Ellesmere is fairly close to where he was living with his grandparents in 1851.

Thanks again,
Christina. x

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1837
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LOWE Joseph Western Bolton Bolton DEAN WB/1/34
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LOWE James Western Bolton Bolton DEAN WB/4/421

North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LOWE Anne Malpas Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) ML/3/44

I do like that marriage. (should be both of this parish ? )

1861 census transcription details for: 8, Flag Street, Little Bolton, Bolton
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2821 Folio: 81 Page: 3

Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: 10 Little Bolton
Parish: Little Bolton Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns City/Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: 8, Flag Street, Little Bolton, Bolton
County: Lancashire
LOWE, Joseph Lodger Widower M 24 1837 Carter
Flint

I think he's with these people and I have no idea if that marital status is correct.


1861 census transcription details for: 8, Flag Street, Little Bolton, Bolton
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2821 Folio: 81 Page: 3


Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: 10 Little Bolton
Parish: Little Bolton Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns City/Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: 8, Flag Street, Little Bolton, Bolton
County: Lancashire
DOWNWARD, Thomas Head Married M 29 1832 Carter
Flint
DOWNWARD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1833
Flint
DOWNWARD, Ann Daughter F 8 1853
Little Bolton
Lancashire
DOWNWARD, John Son M 7 1854
Little Bolton
Lancashire
DOWNWARD, Martha Daughter F 1 1860
Little Bolton
Lancashire
DOWNWARD, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (2M) 1861
Little Bolton
Lancashire


Maureen

Thanks again Andy & Maureen.


With your help found this marriage. Looks very promising......

Martha Dean
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900

birth of this parish
spouse: Thomas Lowe

record title: England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
name: Thomas Lowe
gender: Male
event type: Marriage
marriage date: 29 Dec 1831
birthplace: of Hanmer parish
marriage place: Malpas, Cheshire, England
principal's residence: , Malpas, Cheshire, England
spouse's name: Martha Dean
spouse's residence: , Malpas, Cheshire, England
digital folder number: 4011811


Just need to find him in 1861 now to hopefully tie it all in.


Found this one on the 1861 index. Could you please check to see if he is living at Sidney S (Street?) in Bolton or if he is a Gardener?


Joseph Lowe abt 1837 Flintshire, Wales relation Little Bolton ,


Thank you.

I'd go with Andy's thought as well.

Just for ref:


1851 census transcription details for: Cheshire
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2502 Folio: 450 Page: 9


Reg. District: Wrexham Sub District: Malpas
Parish: Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cheshire
County: Denbighshire
DEAN, James Head Married M 71 1780 Agr Lab
Tilston
Cheshire
DEAN, Sarah Wife Married F 80 1771
Malpas
Cheshire
DEAN, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 27 1824 Employed At Home
Threapwood
Cheshire
DEAN, George Grand Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Threapwood
Cheshire
DEAN, Sarah Grand Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Threapwood
Cheshire
LOWE, Joseph Grand Son M 13 1838 At Home
Bolton
Lancashire
LOWE, James Grand Son M 11 1840 At Home
Bolton
Lancashire
LOWE, Ann Grand Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Threapwood
Cheshire

Maybe :
1841 census transcription details for: Ashburner Street, Bolton, Bolton, Great
RG number: HO107 Piece: 535 Book/Folio: 8/15 Page: 22


Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: Western Bolton
Parish: Bolton Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Bolton, Great
Address: Ashburner Street, Bolton, Bolton, Great
County: Lancashire
GRUNDY, William M 50 1791 Lancashire
GRUNDY, Bella F 25 1816
GRUNDY, Mary F 8 1833 Lancashire
GRUNDY, Bella F 6 1835 Lancashire
LOWE, Martha F 30 1811
LOWE, Betsey F 8 1833
LOWE, Joseph M 3 1838 Lancashire
LOWE, James M 1 1840 Lancashire


Maureen

LOL, Maureen.

Thanks Andy. Off to look for a marriage for a Dean to a Lowe.

Laughing so much,Christina ! Thanks for that .

Maureen

Maybe?

1851 England Census
about Joseph Lowe Name: Joseph Lowe
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Grandson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Threapwood
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Hope
ED, institution, or vessel: 16b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 2502
Folio: 450
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Dean 71
Sarah Dean 85
Emma Dean 27
George Dean 7
Sarah Dean 5
>>>>Joseph Lowe 13
James Lowe 11
Ann Lowe 6


Andy

Thanks for looking, Maureen.

He is cute & he knows it. That's his "why are you eating when I'm not !" look.

I've looked, but have not had any success at all.

Sorry. Hope someone else can spot him.

Maureen

P.S. - Gosh! Could you look into those eyes and not fall in love ??? What a sweetie !

Please will some kind soul see if they can find Joseph Lowe c 1838, Bolton, in 1851 or 1861 census .

His marriage details are listed below.

Thank you.

Marriage: 4 Oct 1862 Holy Trinity, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Lowe - (X), 24 Gardener Bachelor of Sidney S.
Ellen Blundell - (X), 19 Tenter Spinster of Fitton Houses
Groom's Father: Thomas Lowe, Labourer
Bride's Father: William Blundell, Weaver
Witness: Hugh Blundell, (X); Jane Blundell, (X)
Married by Banns by: John George Doman
Register: Marriages 1862 - 1867, Page 3, Entry 5
Source: LDS Film 1966125


Edit: Please don't look for Ellen as I have all census info for her. Thank you.

Just posting the 1881's on here then i have all the info in one place.


1881 England Census
about Joseph Lowe
Name: Joseph Lowe
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Lowe
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Lever
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 33 Osborne St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Carter

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Lever
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3848
Folio: 65
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Lowe 41
Ellen Lowe 37
Martha Lowe 17
Sarah Lowe 16
Mary Ann Lowe 14
Jane Lowe 12
Elizabeth Lowe 10
Ellen Lowe 6
Hannah Lowe 4
William B. Lowe 2
James Lowe 1



1881 England Census
about James Crompton
Name: James Crompton
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Crompton
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 38 Coe St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Labourer At Cotton Mill

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3840
Folio: 149
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
James Crompton 23
Ellen Crompton 23
Robt. Jas. Crompton 1
Wm. Pickvance 19

You are welcome x

???

Deaths Mar 1925 (>99%)
Lowe Joseph 86 Bolton 8c 402

Deaths Dec 1920 (99%)
LOWE Ellen 75 Bolton 8c 446

Just noticed your additions, PricklyHolly. Thank you.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOWE, Joseph
Address: 152 Rishton Lane Bolton

LOWE, Joseph Head Married M 72 1839 Retired Carter Lancashire Bolton VIEW
LOWE, Ellen Wife Married
49 years F 66 1845 Lancashire Bolton VIEW
LOWE, Joseph Son Single M 25 1886 Mill Labourer Lancashire Bolton VIEW
SMITH, Evelyn Granddaughter F 13 1898 Mill Setter On Lancashire Bolton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23432 Reference:
RG14PN23432 RG78PN1366 RD461 SD8 ED23 SN304

Registration District:
Bolton Sub District:
Great Bolton and Lever Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
Bolton

Address:
152 Rishton Lane Bolton County:
Lancashire

13 children born, 9 living, 4 had died.