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i just checked on charles's sister's birth details that i have ....mary agnes sloan fergie b 21 sep 1871 baptised 23 sep 1871 and it gives the same street address as charles's in 1874 westmoreland street but this time number 16.....


"Everyone"
looking into where my g g grandfather john lepper fergie was baptised st annes church of ireland 1846...... and when i checked up it says st annes cathederal was built on the grounds of the old church of ireland......

would the records from the original church be kept at st annes catherderal???

also i cant find johns parents (charles fergie and eliza sloan) on any census or lw site..... ive also checked all the usual ancestry sites....

i know john lepper fergie was found under the slight spelling difference
fergEY as apose to fergIE but still not finding anything....

anyone have any tips on how i can further my search please??

kirstie

PRONI hold a copy of St Anne's records, but you could contact the church it self
Diocesan Office
61-67 Donegall St, Belfast, County Antrim BT1 2QH
028 9023 2909

These could be Charles & Eliza deaths
Name: Charles Fergie
Registration District: Belfast
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1882
Estimated Birth Year: 1812
Age (at Death): 70
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101591
Volume Number: 1
Page Number: 255
Digital Folder Number: 4200673
Image Number: 00232
Collection: null

Name: Eliza Fergie
Registration District: Belfast
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: 1877
Estimated Birth Year: 1815
Age (at Death): 62
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101588
Volume Number: 6
Page Number: 275
Digital Folder Number: 4200220
Image Number: 00354
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Theres a Charles Fergie living at No. 4 Sackville Place labourer 1870

http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/street_directories.htm

thanks maura much appreciated :0)

aswell as the charles fergie you found i have found a chas fergie carpenter at 9 bromley street in 1900 on proni

this is most likely charles fergie my g grandfather 1874 as he was a carpenter.
i couldnt find him anywhere on the 1901 census for some reason,
his wife and children are though, she is down at 134 tenent street with 3 children, staying with her father and siblings and nephew....
bromley street was a home address for them..... perhaps?
they do appear together on the 1911 census. and with 2 more children... so this tells me they were still together.

without meaning to sound silly.......apart from the obvious do you know of any reasons why people would not be on the census??

thanks, kirstie

There loads of reason why people were not in the census, if they were in the out of the country. If they were in the Army or R.I.C.,or Jail, or in a hospital etc., they would be down under their intials. Plus there is some parts of streets missing from the 1901 & 1911 census, plus names have been mistranscribe or part of the census could of been damaged.

i did find him on the lw street direcory at 6 lorton street for 1901 but its not on the census
i will check again using just initials

thankyou :0)

He not in Lorton street in the 1901 census, the street name was mistranscribe Lortoy.

ok thankyou :0)

i had a check again and im slighlty confused!!

the lwylie site street directory for 1901 has charles fergie carpenter at 6 lorton street..... i know he's not on the 1901 census but i supose it would depend on if the street directory was done before or after census...

i had a check on proni and they have john l fergie linenlapper at 5 lorton street in 1880 and looking at the image it looks like either the original has been scanned or a photo copy of the original scanned on.
i could find no lortoy street on there either.

as they are 2 diff sites and 20 years between the dates of lorton street im confused as to when it was mistrancribed.....

to confuse me even more the national archives of ireland has lortoy street in 1901 and no lorton street and in 1911 it has a lorton street and no lortoy street!!

could you help me on that please??

thanks, kirstie

Kirstie, Lorton street was mistranscribed wrong in 1901 census,there is no Lortoy street. The 1901 & 1911 censuses where only transcribed recently and there is mistakes in them. As for the street directories some of them are only copies of the previous year. My great grandfather is in 2 different streets according to LW & the census, the census 1 is right.

thanks maura :0)

i was thinking of paying a researcher in ireland to find out more info on the charles fergie and eliza sloan that were john lepper fergie's parents as i cant find anything relating to them other than the deaths on earlier post, (if that is infact them which theres a very strong poss it is) but before i do have you any ideas where i can find more info on them please??

also thinking of sending off for death certs, but do you know what info they may hold?

thanks, kirstie

forgot to add to the above post......

how easy is it to find out where a person was if they were not on the 1901 census?

Death certs for that period only give the

Name
date of death
age
cause of death
address
informant

John may have been out of the country in 1901, so you could try checking the England, Wales & Scotland census for 1901. I think their surname has been mispelt alot as I can't even find them on the Griffith Valuation, Fergie not a common name in Ireland there only 41 in the 1901 & 53 in the 1911 census. PRONI probably your best place to start looking for them in church records.

thanks maura

maura

i put in a search enquiry through ulster historical foundation for info on charles fergie 1812-1882
they emailed me back to say that as i didnt know his denomination and place of birth that it would be impossible to do.

do you have any other tips that may help me please?

i know that charles fergie's occ was bottler from his son johns wedding details, also says thats johns fathers townland was belfast.
denomination on john's baptism deatils show his father charles fergie's denomination was church of ireland......
johns denomination further along is down as presbyterian..

you suggested that i start looking for them in church records at proni......
i dont know how proni works but im assuming the records i want are not online would this mean either visiting personally or paying someone at proni to search for me??

i live in england and would like to go to proni myself but it wont be possible for me to do so until early next year due to family commitments.

thanks, kirstie

PRONI hold the biggest collection of records for N.Ireland, but the church records are not online, they will do a search for you for a fee, this is the link to search service

http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/about_proni/freedom_of_information/proni_search_service.htm

thanks maura