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from the Liverpool Baptisms, newly posted on ancestry.co.uk

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: George Thomas Daw
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1873
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1874
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's name: George Daw
Mother's name: Selina Daw

from image:-

Address:- Steel S (???)
Father occupation:- Mariner



Name: Richard Henry Dawl
Birth Date: 20 Sep
[abt 1883]
Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1883
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's name: George Dawl
Mother's name: Selina Dawl

Address:- Steel St
Father occupation:- Mariner




Name: Mary Selina Dewl
Birth Date: 6 Mar
[abt 1881]
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1881
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's name: George Thomas Dewl
Mother's name: Mary Selina Dewl

Address:- Steel St
Father:- Mariner

It is Dewl on the image, but I think she's yours!!




I still can't find any of the others.




If you have access to ancestry ..... you can see the actual registers, you can copy them to your computer, and then you should be able to print them off.




sylvia

There are too many James Dawe's in the 1911 census - you would need the marriage certificate to get his father's name.

Is this Elizabeth in 1911 census?

HALEBROOK, Henry Head Married
11 years M 33 1878 Carper Out Of Work Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, Mary Wife Married F 30 1881 Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, Henry Son Single M 9 1902 School Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, Eliza Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, Georgina Daughter Single F 5 1906 School Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, Lizzie Daughter Single F 4 1907 School Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, William Son Single M 2 1909 Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, Mary Agnes Daughter Single F 1 1910 Liverpool VIEW
HALEBROOK, George Son Single M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22583 Reference:
RG14PN22583 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED31 SN237

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western Enumeration District:
31 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
7 Lyon St Liverpool County:
Lancashire

I have checked the original and it is definitely Holebrook. There were 8 children, 1 died.

I hope that someone might be able to look at the 1911 Census for you ....... I don't have a subscription to it.

I did try the free search on the 1911 census site itself ............... it said no Elizabeth Holebrook, and there were 2 James Dawe of approximately the rigth age ........... one born in 1906 shown as living in Liverpool and one born in 1907 living in West Derby


The 1911 census is the most recent one to search ........ so I think you might have to bite the bullet and buy the certificates.






sylvia

Here's their marriage

Marriages Jun 1926 (>99%)

Dawe James Holebrook W.Derby 8b 661
Holebrook Elizabeth Dawse W.Derby 8b 661



note the transcriber has misspelled James surname on the cross-reference with Elizabeth


and birth registrations

Births Jun 1907 (>99%)

Holebrook Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 580


James is a bit more difficult .... he couldn't have been born in 1913, that would have meant he was only 13 when they married.


You might have to buy the marriage certificate to find out more information ... such as their ages, and the names of their fathers.


I wonder if this could be James' birth registration, assuming he came from the same area as Elizabeth?

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)

Dawe James W. Derby 8b 429




This other one would have meant that James was only 15 when they married, and is I think less likely

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)

Dawe James W. Derby 8b 465



sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

Thanks very much for your help I am going to get a marriage certificate for Lucy A Dawe as she was married to Thomas E Rea and hope that I can get the fathers name. I was wondering if you would be able to find anything about my grandmother Elizabeth Holebrook 1907 and grandfather James Dawe married in 1913. I don't know anything about her or her family I have no names at all as she died in 1933 aged 26, my mother was only 3 so knew nothing about her. thanks again Lin.

Lin

No, they wouldn't ....... unless they happened to be the witnesses to the wedding.


English and Welsh marriage certificates only have the name of each father with his occupation. Father may or may not be noted as deceased ..... depends on whether the vicar asked the correct question!

Name of mother is not on there, nor are the names of any other relatives, unless they are a witness and even then it will not say the relationship


sylvia

Hi, I would like to thank you both very much for your help it is much appreciated and a great help I have found William James Dawe my great grandads death in 1961 and his wife was elizabeth crowder and the year they were married 1903 my grandad was James Dawe born in 1906, would my great grandads mother and fathers name be on his marraige certificate, regards Lin.

Thank you, Simon


and so do I!

Some great work there Sylvia, I hope Sandra comes back.

it's almost midnight here, on the west coast of Canada.


must be having a quiet day at work!!



sylvia

Good night.
I am just about to finish work (so why am I on Genes??) here in Australia - it is 4.45 pm.
Lynne

yes indeedy!


just off to bed ... it's not far off midnight here!


see you tomorrow!



sylvia

Some great finds there, Syliva.
Let's hope that Sandra comes back to us....

I wonder how many more variations on the name I'm going to find on beta.familysearch!!

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Mary Selina Dewl
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 29 Mar 1881
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date: 06 Mar 1881
father's name: George Thomas Dewl
mother's name: Mary Selina Dewl
indexing project (batch) number: C02396-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1656568


name: George Thomas Daw
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 15 Nov 1874
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
father's name: George Daw
mother's name: Selina
indexing project (batch) number: I02054-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 93897

birth:- 15 Sep 1874


???????
name: Mary Catherine Darol
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 31 Aug 1876
baptism/christening place: St. Mary, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
father's name: George Thomas Darol
mother's name: Selina
indexing project (batch) number: I02189-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545931



sylvia

??????????? possiblt mis-translation OR mis-hearing by vicar???????????


OR may be NOT "our" William James ...... baptism place wrong


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: William James Doll
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Sep 1878
baptism/christening place: Walton-on-the-Hill, Aston Brook, Birmingham, Warwick, England
father's name: George Doll
mother's name: Selina
indexing project (batch) number: I02189-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545931



sylvia

from beta.familysearch

www.familysearch.org/

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Richard Henry Dawl
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Dec 1883
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date: 20 Sep 1883
father's name: George Dawl
mother's name: Selina
indexing project (batch) number: C02795-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 93902




but I can't see any of the others!




sylvia

well, well, well


following on from your find of William James Dawl


Births Dec 1874 (>99%)

DAWL George Thomas Liverpool 8b 2


Births Sep 1876 (>99%)

DAWL Mary Catherine Liverpool 8b 50


Births Sep 1878 (>99%)

Dawl William James Liverpool 8b 56


Births Jun 1881 (>99%)

DAWL Mary Selina Liverpool 8b 19


Births Dec 1883 (>99%)

DAWL Richard Henry Liverpool 8b 53


Births Sep 1885 (>99%)

Dawl James Liverpool 8b 42





sylvia

???
Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
Dawes William James Sevenoaks 2a 593
Dawl William James Liverpool 8b 56-------------------------
DAWSON William James Islington 1b 274
DAWSON William John St. Saviour 1d 70

?????
Found this in 1881 census -

1881 census - household transcription
Person: DAW, Geo
Address: Impregnable, Devonport Stoke-Damerel
DAW, Geo Married M 39 1842 Boatsn
Colebrook
Devon
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2210 Folio:
30 Page:
9

Registration District:
Stoke-Damerel Sub District:
Morice Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Devonport Stoke-Damerel Municipal Borough:
Address:
Impregnable, Devonport Stoke-Damerel County:
Devonshire