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Good grief.

Lisa, could you try just reading the posts in the thread and answering the questions??

We need to know
(a) the real factual information you have
(b) the sources of that information

It's actually quite straightforward.


I'd particularly like to know what the "confirmation" is that the family from Leytonstone that I tracked around on the previous page is *not* the right family.

After numerous questions in PM, I have some more details that might help. I don't think Lisa understands what are important facts and what should not be used as fact.

William Henry Taylor married Helen Gwendoline Rose Biggs in the Sept quarter 1941 in Birmingham.
Lisa has this information.

So Janey, your original find is correct. I also asked her if that was the correct year, because I too thought he a bit old.

There are 2 entries for a William H Taylor born Birmingham 1901. One is in the first quarter, and one in the 2nd quarter.

By the way, Chilton Avenue, Ealing, is the complete opposite end of London from "Cockney". It's about as far west of central London as Leytonstone / East Ham / Stratford are east/ENE.

Have you considered applying for his 1939 national identity card?

http://www.ic.nhs.uk/services/1939-register-service

"Data will be provided, as recorded on the 29 September 1939, only where the individual is now recorded as deceased. "

I suppose you might have any details it might provide already, since you presumably know who his first wife was, when and where she died, whether there were children to the marriage ... it's just that we don't.

Well I have trawled through 1901 census ,all the Williams measured in months, no Father fits, his mother doesn,t necessarily have to be alive either ?
He could also have invented a father,s name for the purpose of being repectable at his wedding?

Since I cant read the marriage cert and I had no reply regarding army information what can I do ?

I'm not sure why Whitenancy thinks there are different helpers on Tips ?

Going for a nap, my brain aches !

On Lindsey's theory of using a middle name (not that uncommon), there's this one:

Births Mar 1901
Taylor Henry William W. Ham 4a 458

and perhaps this one

Births Jun 1901
TAYLOR Henry William Strand 1b 607

but I don't see any in 1901 with father Thomas to fit.

I'll guess this was his second marriage.

Name: William H Taylor
Spouse Surname: Biggs
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1941
Registration district: Birmingham
Registration county (inferred): Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1106

I think you're right,Janey.

How many times did William marry? 41 or so seems a tad old for his first one.

Maureen

Do you like 'em for the job, MiNY? ;)


Oh. Except that I suspect that this is the family that Lisa had said was confirmed not to be the right ones.

I do so wish we could be given some details. Like the details of that family to start with, so I wouldn't have wasted time. And *how* it was confirmed they were the wrong ones. (It was "confirmed" to me by someone here at GR that my grandfather's grandparents in Essex were not the GR member's grandmother's grandparents -- until I showed the GR member that they were, and we did indeed share grx2 grparents, it was just that the GR member had never heard of my family.)

And the details of William Henry Thomas's marriages -- dates and places even, so we have a picture of where he was when.

I can never see the point of asking people to help find more information, with *less* information than one has one's self.

JC-your wish,etc.

1911 census transcription details for: 2 Florence Road Leytonstone
RG14PN9613 RG78PN512 RD188 SD8 ED8 SN316


Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: South Leyton
Parish: Low Leyton Enum. District: 8
Address: 2 Florence Road Leytonstone
County: Essex

TAYLOR, Thomas Head Married M 40 1871 Granite Pavior Leyton Essex
TAYLOR, Emily Wife Married
13 years F 33 1878 Billericaydo
TAYLOR, Thomas Son M 12 1899 School Leyton Essex
TAYLOR, William Son M 10 1901 School Leyton Essex
TAYLOR, Emily Daughter F 5 1906 School Leyton Essex


Maureen

Brother Thomas, a couple of possibilities. Here's an interesting one -- in 1961, Essex SW covered Leyton:

Births Sep 1898
TAYLOR Thomas C Essex S. W. ? See M/61 -- late registration

Name: Thomas C Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trout
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1961
Registration district: Essex S W
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 273

Mother Emily in that household was from Billericay.

Marriages Dec 1897
Cox Emily Billericay 4a 773
Edmunds Frank Billericay 4a 773
> Taylor Thomas Billericay 4a 773
> Trout Emily Billericay 4a 773


Further possible Taylor-Trout births:

Births Mar 1914
TAYLOR Lily Trout W.Ham 4a [56][56]1
Births Dec 1915
Taylor Henry Trout W.Ham 4a 596
Births Jun 1918
Taylor Alice Trout W.Ham 4a 486
Births Jun 1921
Taylor Edward Trout W.Ham 4a 666

And the late Thomas registration leads us to:

Births Mar 1901
Taylor William Essex S.W 5a See M60

Name: William Taylor
Mother's Maiden Surname: Trout
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1960
Registration district: Essex S W
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 209


Were they like my grandfather again, and had to prove their age when they retired? ;)

1911 in Leyton

TAYLOR WILLIAM 1901 10 West Ham Essex - answers to born Leyton
living with
TAYLOR THOMAS 1871 40 West Ham Essex
TAYLOR EMILY F 1878 33 (probably)

Too many Taylors in Leyton to sort out on a free search. Anybody want to give the household details?

If he was born in Feb 1901 then he was in the 1901 census.

Here's a possibility.

Name: William Taylor
Age: 1 Month
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Taylor
Mother's name: Emily Taylor
Where born: Leytonstone, Essex, England

Civil parish: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: West Ham

Thomas Taylor 30 - Pavior (Road [?]), born Leytonstone
Emily Taylor 23 - born Billericay
Thomas Taylor 2 - born Leytonstone
William Taylor 1 Month
Mary A Harris 66


My grandfather was born in West Ham, 2 miles from Leytonstone and equidistant from St. Mary-le-Bow, and always declared that this put him within the sound of Bow Bells. ;)

Two households above on that page are Henry Taylor, 28, general labourer, and his wife. Likely brothers.

Leyton was in West Ham reg dist. A birth on 21 Feb 1901 could have been registered legally in the first week of April 1901. There are no William Henry Taylors registered there in Q1 1901 or Q2 1901, but there were two William Taylors in Q2.

Aha?

Births Mar 1901
Taylor William Harry W. Ham 4a 151

Hi lindsey,

Yeah I thought of that but in 1941 he was in the london area of south ealing as that was his home address and my father in law is convinced he was from london.

Anyone from Birmingham would pick up on a London accent , but that does not make him a cockney or prove that he was born there ?

Do you have more on the army info ?

He died in bimingham I have his death cert but I know he was from london because my father in law said he had a cockney accent on please can someone find his family

Do you know when and where he died, just to try and round out any information you may have?
Thank-you.

Hi again everyone,

I am in no way playing guessing games, I jst want to be able to trace them back because I really am stuck.



Thanks for all your help, I know that he was born on the 21st February 1901 because I tracked down some army info about him. but thats really all it gives me apart from details about his wife which i have alreadty traced back.

In 1941 on his marriage certificate which he married in Birmingham it gives his home address as Chilton avenue, South Ealing, and his father as Thomas James Taylor General Labourer (deceased)

I applied to the Gro but even with his exact birthday they were unable to find a certificate for him, I just thought maybe he was on the census but without his father. I guess I will never ever find out.

Now Now Janey! that's soooooo unlike you!?!

Sorry, Whitenancy, I don't know who you are or what your game is, but what you are advising is that the poster break the rules of the board. One post per subject. How come you don't know that?

Maybe if you don't have any help to offer yourself, you'd refrain from butting in and telling people things that are actually very far from the truth.

try posting on the tips board you will get more help