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re Gonville road, there is a Gonville Rd in Bootle Liverpool which is quite near Bootle docks, re the Almos pub it could be a nickname for the local pub most people in Liverpool call their local by a nickname,ie the Alamo. coincidentally the lady that lived in my house previous to me was named Emily Jolly.

a Jolly tree. locked on ancestry , you could do with sending a message to see if they have the answer?

Emily Elizabeth Jolly
Born: 1884 in LIVERPOOL Merseyside England

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ok I've sent a message, hope he,s still around.
Contact tran_jolly


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Edward Cutler
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: James Henry Cutler
Family

Marriages:
Spouse: Harriet Kelly
Family
Marriage:
02 MAY 1879 St Mary'S, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas KOLLY OR KOBLY Head M Male 46 Liverpool Rail Engine Driver
Harriet KOLLY OR KOBLY Wife M Female 45 Liverpool Wife
Francis KOLLY OR KOBLY Son U Male 17 Kirkdale Plumber
Robert KOLLY OR KOBLY Son Male 9 Kirkdale
Harriet CUTLER Daur M Female 21 Kirkdale Wife
Mary KOLLY OR KOBLY Daur Female 14 Kirkdale
Elizabeth A. KOLLY OR KOBLY Daur U Female 17 Kirkdale


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Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Brock St
Census Place Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341881
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3679 / 92
Page Number 11

Rose

IGI:

Harriet Phoebe Cutler
Christening: 10 MAY 1880 St Mary, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: Edward Cutler
Mother: Harriet


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

I021896

Rose

Marriages Jun 1879
Cutler Edward W. Derby 8b 564 Kelly Harriet W.Derby 8b 564

Rose

Thanks jax.

Can see corresponding Culter births.

Rose

Name: Joseph Culter
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2962
Folio: 90
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Kelley 54
Harriet Kelley 54
Harriet Culter 31
Robert Kelly 19
Elizabeth Kelly 17
Harriet Culter 10
Joseph Culter 8


It says Culter on the image??

Would someone check out this guy on Ancestry in 1891:

Joseph Culter b1883 in Kirkdale.

My sub has run out.

Rose

This is the older thread, Janey -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1238584

Could this also be a family story that has been passed down that there was a lot of money in the family ect ect.....we all have them

jax

There's a new thread Janey as I'm looking for the Cutler side, not the Flynn side, and not that generation, the higher generation.

I do use the free bmd and ancestry sites, but like I said at the beginning. It's a long shot and I was hoping to find a person who knew of this story, that was related that I could get in contact with.

Jax I've ordered the marriage certificate for Joseph Cutler and Ellen Flynn, which will hopefully give me his parents names, then I can trace them and order those and continue that way. Cheers.

So what certs have you ordered??

jax

Thanks again guys. I am waiting for certificates. I'm in Australia so there's a bit of a wait for them.

Like I said at the start... 'longshot' :)

I do appreaciate the help though, but like Janey said - certificates!

"On an older thread you said your grandmother was a Cutler with MMN Flynn."

An older thread? So why is there a new thread? I have to go now anyway.

Danny:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

That's where you find things. The Cutler-Jolly marriage, the Joseph Edward Cutler birth ...

They are all born Blackburn not in the Liverpool area though JC

jax

There is one born Blackburn though Janey:

Births Sep 1881
Cutler Joseph Blackburn 8e 428

Rose

But you need the Cutler + Jolly marriage certificate, and then the Joseph Edward Cutler birth certificate, to confirm anything. The marriage certificate will give his father's name, and that's where you need to start.

Certificates, not tales of running away to sea, are what family trees are actually made of. ;)

Given the father's name, I might plump for this one in 1891, not seeing another:

Name: Joseph Cutler
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's name: Edward Cutler
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Livesey
Registration district: Blackburn

Edward Cutler 39 - born Blackburn, Cotton weaver
Alca Cutler 15
James Cutler 13
Joseph Cutler 9
Eliza Cutler 4
Nancy Bradley 46
Elizabeth Bradley 13

CUTLER MRS EMILY F 1884

Not too likely her husband was born in 1889 ...

Marriages Sep 1904
Cutler Joseph Edward W. Derby 8b 722
Jolly Emily Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 722

or he was 15 when he married.


As I think was said:

Births Sep 1882
Cutler Joseph Edward W. Derby 8b 407

Full census for 1911

1911 census - household transcription
Person: CUTLER, Emily
Address: Litherland Lancashire


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JOLLY, Thomas O Head Married M 23 1888 Electrical Engineer Walton Liverpool Lancs VIEW
JOLLY, Maud Wife Married
2 years F 24 1887 Bootle Liverpool Lancs VIEW
CUTLER, Emily Visitor Married
6 years F 27 1884 Bootle Liverpool Lancs VIEW
JOLLY, Thomas Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Litherland Liverpool Lancs VIEW
CUTLER, Joseph Visitor M 1 1910 Kirkdael Lpool Lancs VIEW
CUTLER, Ivy Visitor F 3 1908 Kirkdael Lpool Lancs VIEW

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