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Hi everyone,

I have been doing quite well so far but have come to a standstill.
I know my great great grandfather was called William Wallace but I can't find anything else. I do know he had a son in aprx 1842 called Thomas William Wallace so I am assuming William Wallace must have been born aprx 1820? His sons (Thomas)marriage certificate shows William as being a "Coachman"
The family all appear to originate in the Chelsea/Pimlico area of London.

I would love to find details of his marriage and better still his birth so I could go back another generation. I would imagine there was also more than the one son as well but I just don't know how to find out.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Eugenie

Have you found him on any census?

Would this be him?


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas William Wallace
Name: Thomas William Wallace
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1841
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1841
Father's name: William Wallace Occ: Servant
Mother's name: Ann Wallace
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea St Luke
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Address: 21 South St

Is just "William Wallace-London" not a bit vague to search for?
What I have found so far is more luck than judgement.
Is there free access to the census records?

Births Dec 1841 (>99%)
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Wallace Thomas William Chelsea 3 41


MMN will be on the above cert.......which should help with tracing the marriage of the parents

Ginny, how did you do that!!! Thank you so much
My Thomas William is probably this one -I had aprx 1842.
Can't believe I now know my GG grandmothers name.

Is just "William Wallace-London" not a bit vague to search for?


Well thats all you gave us!

You need that birth cert to confirm the mothers maiden name

1891

Name: Thomas W Wallace
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 48
Folio: 17
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W Wallace 49
Emma Wallace 45
Effie E Wallace 13
Frank N Wallace 11
William M Wallace 5
Claud E Wallace 6

1881 census is FREE........

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Well thank you all so much for your help..just makes me realise how much of a novice I am.
I would have thought there were many to sift through.
Can I ask if anyone can find any census info on William, sorry to ask but I'm not going to get any sleep tonight if I don't tie this up.

The snag is that we have no idea of when or where William was born.

His son could have been the youngest of any number.........or the eldest.

I have not, as yet, managed to find the son before 1881.

When did he marry Emma? What was his address at the time?

1861 Census- age 18- Winchester St Thomas Barracks-Winchester,Hampshire
1881 Census- age 39-Living at 42 Smith Street, Chelsea,London
At the time of marriage to Emma Carter (30) (widow) Thomas was 31 and shown as living at
18 Christchurch Street, London SW3 4AR.
Marriage was witnessed by George North (possibly brother of Emma) & Elizabeth (Brook?)
1891 Census shows Thomas to be 49 and Living at 15 Adeney Road, Fulham,London

This is info I have re Thomas Wallace. I don't know how many siblings he had or date of marriage to Emma Carter .Does this help?

So you actually had census info..........................!!

You were asked whether you had - and didn't respond.

Hence my taking the time to find and post 1891.and to tell you where to find 1881

Sorry Flick, didn't mean to mislead you.
I had info re Thomas and his wife/children but I just can't find anything about siblings. I only had his fathers name-William but didn't know hs mothers name-until tonight.

1871...............ignore all the other names. He is living on his own.

Name: Thomas H Wallace
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Occupier (Occupant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: Long Acre
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 249
Piece: 353
Folio: 76
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
James Chipman 45
Eliza Chipman 39
Emma Chipman 16
Fanny Chipman 11
James S Chipman 2
Herbert S Chipman 5 Months
Thomas H Wallace 29 Occ: Tailor

Thanks Flick, that accounts for him after national service in the 1861 census.
I have also found a marriage certificate for Thomas & Emma dated 12/7/1874-which is where I got the William Wallace name from.

1881 England Census
about Thomas W. Wallace
Name: Thomas W. Wallace
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger (Head) (Lodger)
Spouse's Name: Emma Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 42 Smith St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Tailor

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 77
Folio: 118
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W. Wallace 39
Emma Wallace 36
Mary Wallace 13
Henry F. Wallace 12
Willie Wallace 6
Effie Wallace 3
Frank Wallace 1
Annie Burns 18 Servant

Is this the one to which you refer for 1861?

Name: Thomas Wallace
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Winchester St Thomas
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Winchester
Sub-registration district: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 691
Folio: 173
Page Number: 38


One year younger than 'your' Thomas, and I would have thought that a man who wasa fully-fledged Tailor, employing four men in 1871 would have been serving his apprenticeship in 1861.

To the best of my knowledge, there was no such thing as 'National Service' in the 1860's.......that was a strictly post-WW2 concept

This looks like William + Ann on 1871?

WALLACE, William Head M 60 1811 Norfolk ........... Coachman !!
WALLACE, Ann Wife F 60 1811 Norfolk

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RG number:RG10 Piece:102 Folio:53 Page:28

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
May Fair Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Hay's Mews, St George, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex

Dea x

Now this is interesting ??? - Following through from the above William + Ann...

WALLACE, William Head Married M 50 1811 Stableman Long Stratton Norfolk
WALLACE, Matha A Wife Married F 53 1808 Stableman Wife Milbourne Norfolk
WALLACE, Francis W Son Unmarried M 19 1842 **Tailor Chelsea Middlesex ******* ?????
WALLACE, Agnes L Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Scholar St George Hanover Square Middlesex

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
46 Folio:
97 Page:
28

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
2 May Fair Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Georges

Civil Parish:
St Georges Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
27, Hays Mews, St Georges Hanover Square, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex


I will go and look further.....

Dea x