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Hi I'm looking for information on Frederick Samuel Saunders (circa 1910); my Great Grandfather. I only have limited information about him. I know he married an Alice Smith but I'm not sure of date or location.

He had a son called Frederick Saunders, born 1933 in Stepney, London and his father was Samuel Saunders however I have no information about him.

Any help finding out his year of birth/place etc. or information on his parents or wife would be really helpful.

Cheers. :-)

Possible marriage?

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005

Name: Frederick Saunders
Spouse Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration district: Romford
Registration county (inferred): Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1585
Find Spouse: Alice M Smith

That is a very likely match. Seems as Romford and Stepney are fairly close. Do you know his age when he got married?

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Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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SAUNDERS Frederick S Kidderminster 6c 196



1911

SAUNDERS, Saumel Head Married
5 years M 27 1884 Cowman On Farm Gutley Worcesthire VIEW
SAUNDERS, Minnie Wife Married F 28 1883 Kidderminster Worcester VIEW
SAUNDERS, George Son M 5 1906 Wolverley Kidderminster VIEW
SAUNDERS, William Son M 4 1907 Kings Norton Waickshire VIEW
SAUNDERS, Albert Son M 2 1909 Kidderminster VIEW
>>>>>SAUNDERS, Frederick Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Kidderminster VIEW
SAUNDERS, Jack Boarder Single M 23 1888 General Labrourer West Bromwich Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17559 Reference:
RG14PN17559 RG78PN1073 RD374 SD3 ED16 SN271A

Registration District:
Kidderminster Sub District:
Kidderminster Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Kidderminster Borough

Address:
55 Mill Street Kidderminster County:
Worcestershire

Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Saunders Samuel Kidderminster 6c 328
Steward Minnie Kidderminster 6c 328

If that is the right chap in 1911 Census then.. This might be his death...?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Frederick S Saunders
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1968
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Kidderminster
Registration County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 82

So married in Essex, son born in London and moves back to Worcestershire?

that death might eliminate him, or not !

I'm afraid we won't know how old was he.. you'd need to get a marriage cert to see if Frederick is of the right age and listed Samuel as father.

Hmmm I think that is a very likely match, it all seems to fit in quite nicely. I'll put all the information in my tree and see how it all adds up.

What do you mean the death might eliminate him?

Do you know what year he might have died in?

The only way to get the full name of Frederick jnr's mother is of course a birth cert.

I did come across a Alice Mary Smith born Romford in 1914 - coinidence as they married in Romford, but not knowing if its the right Alice ! She dies in Havering, London in 1971, born 1914 also.

Sorry..

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Alice M Smith
Mother's Maiden Name: Groves
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1914
Registration district: Romford
Registration County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1176 (click to see others on page)


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Alice Mary Saunders
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1914
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1971
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Havering
Registration County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 76

Looking back.. Different as birth date doesnt tally up with the Birth ref.. Sorry. So not the right lady.

I thought it could eliminate him if you knew where he died or how old he was when he died.


You need the marriage certificate of Frederick and Alice to find his father's occupation.

I'm not sure if he died but I do know that Albert, Herbert, George, Charles, Frederick were very common names in the family which is why I am thinking it could be a match.

Birth Cert. for Frederick Jnr: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records.page/image/ebirthimage/809147

OK - first things first.. How did you know that Frederick Samuel's father was Samuel?

My Grandmother told me, All the information I have is defiantly correct so far.

Alright - no idea when he possibly have died? Do you know anything about Frederick S at all? Any little info might be helpful.

T

Sorry no that is all she knows. I'm going to email her to see if he was married to Minnie Steward then we might get somewhere

After confirming with my father Kidderminster was not in the family at all howerver Frederick did live in Romford so we have picked up one wrong family.

So the marriage in Romford was correct .. I hope!