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That sound plausible as they're about 5 miles apart - couldn't get 1911 up as it kept timing out grr.

Thanks for helping, that could be it seems as Barking and Romford are only a few miles apart.

I know I have come late to this thread......have you seen this one....

1911

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SAUNDERS, Frederick Samuel Head Married M 27 1884 Handy Man In House Repairs Baking Essex VIEW
SAUNDERS, Annie Wife Married F 30 1881 Tottenham Middlex VIEW
SAUNDERS, Frederick Son M 1 1910 Barking Essex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9922 Reference:
RG14PN9922 RG78PN522 RD191 SD3 ED12 SN37

Registration District:
Romford Sub District:
Barking Town Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Barking

Address:
157 Gascoigne Road Barking E County:
Essex

Regards Vera

Yes im almost 100% sure that the marriage was correct. I just need to find out if Frederick died in Havering.

So the marriage in Romford was correct .. I hope!

After confirming with my father Kidderminster was not in the family at all howerver Frederick did live in Romford so we have picked up one wrong family.

Sorry no that is all she knows. I'm going to email her to see if he was married to Minnie Steward then we might get somewhere

Alright - no idea when he possibly have died? Do you know anything about Frederick S at all? Any little info might be helpful.

T

My Grandmother told me, All the information I have is defiantly correct so far.

OK - first things first.. How did you know that Frederick Samuel's father was Samuel?

I'm not sure if he died but I do know that Albert, Herbert, George, Charles, Frederick were very common names in the family which is why I am thinking it could be a match.

Birth Cert. for Frederick Jnr: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records.page/image/ebirthimage/809147

I thought it could eliminate him if you knew where he died or how old he was when he died.


You need the marriage certificate of Frederick and Alice to find his father's occupation.

Sorry..

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Alice M Smith
Mother's Maiden Name: Groves
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1914
Registration district: Romford
Registration County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1176 (click to see others on page)


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Alice Mary Saunders
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1914
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1971
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Havering
Registration County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 76

Looking back.. Different as birth date doesnt tally up with the Birth ref.. Sorry. So not the right lady.

Do you know what year he might have died in?

The only way to get the full name of Frederick jnr's mother is of course a birth cert.

I did come across a Alice Mary Smith born Romford in 1914 - coinidence as they married in Romford, but not knowing if its the right Alice ! She dies in Havering, London in 1971, born 1914 also.

What do you mean the death might eliminate him?

Hmmm I think that is a very likely match, it all seems to fit in quite nicely. I'll put all the information in my tree and see how it all adds up.

I'm afraid we won't know how old was he.. you'd need to get a marriage cert to see if Frederick is of the right age and listed Samuel as father.

that death might eliminate him, or not !

If that is the right chap in 1911 Census then.. This might be his death...?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Frederick S Saunders
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1968
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Kidderminster
Registration County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 82

So married in Essex, son born in London and moves back to Worcestershire?

Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Saunders Samuel Kidderminster 6c 328
Steward Minnie Kidderminster 6c 328