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You're welcome , Margaret -coincidentally I am expecting my daughter-in-law and grandson tomorrrow from Singapore -have been there many times so understand the time difference!
Please come back to this thread if you do eventually solve the mystery -I would lve to know the outcome

Hi Gillian,
Yes that's a good line of inquiry. Also your one before fits with my Charles.

I will look into the newspaper . His probate says formally of the Argus Club Park Place St James St but lately of the Fronds Sydenham Kent.
I surmise that he had separated from the wife but as he was ill she took him back to live with her for a while as he died there.

I have googled his 2 children's names and there seems to be an Ireland connection. Juliets husband has Irish connections and Edith Beryl Severn comes up on a grave in Wicklow. However I don't have access to Irish records.

I will post an inquiry tomorrow as I live in Malaysia and its 10.30pm and I won't be up to see any replies today.

Many thanks for all the help.

Margaret

There is one avenue you could explore -and that is the newspaper obituary for his death in Bromley in 1883
If you contact the Library in Bromley and ask if they have archive copies of the local paper (Bromley Times?) and the answer is yes, you could maybe view those on microfiche and it may give more details of his origins

For my final throw of the dice I have found Charles in 1871 (mistranscribed as Charles L Levon) aged 37, single Author born Bologna Italy and living at the Westminster Palace Hotel in Victoria St London
Wonder what he wrote?

Well, I have delved into
Charles who was an Organist and Musician and married Elizabeth Barchard 6/1/1838 -he did have a son called charles but he was Charles Edward b 1839 Islington

Thomas bap 1/8/1802 St Leonard Shoreditch., a Professor of music He
married twice (1) Caroline Plumstead 12/11/1825 (2) Emma Cawthorn 1/10/1839 all children from both marriages born England

So not a LLoyd among them -even the parent s of the three brothers JamesSevern b 24/11/1765 Holborn marrried Elizabeth Littell (not LLoyd)

The other possibilty is that Joseph -the only one with a lengthy stay abroad - had an extramarital affair with a Miss Lloyd in Rome and Charles was the result ! Dont know how you would ever prove it!

Margaret
Sorry, have been away from computer for a while
I too have Googled Joseph and it would be great if Charles were of the family but only 5 children are listed on the site I looked at -Walter, Mary Ann, Claudia, Henry and Arthur. However they dont mention Eleanor so may have missed out more than one child.
I fell Charles must in some way be connected and wonder if he might be of the family of one of Josephs brothers
Joseph was bap 26/12/1793 St Leonards Shoreditch son of James and Elizabeth
His brother CHARLES was bap there 9/3/1806
And there is another brother Thomas apparently

No you shouldnt assume anything until it can be proven
I will have another look at the brothers and come back

Hi Gillian
This is my 3rd reply to you - I hit submit and it goes but doesn't come up. 3rd time lucky.

I think this is the family- the father was a famous painter and had 7 children one Henry died early in crib so maybe my one was named after him.
I think I will add the family to my tree and see what happens

Many thanks for the help.

Margaret

Dear Gillian

Sorry about wait. I sent a mail but it's gone somewhere.

I think this may be the family and the father is a famous painter just googled him.

With what you have found, if you were me, would you add him to my tree and see what happens?

Margaret

Hi Gillian,
Many thanks for this - as you say it does suggest that these are his records.

Have just googled his father Joseph - very interesting family. It mentions a Henry who died in his crib so maybe my Henry was named after him.

With what I now know would you put them in the tree and see if anyone comes up? Many thanks

Margaret

I really dont think the Delaware Charles can be the right one -he would have to be nipping across the "pond " at regular intervals if he was married in England in 1876 and producing 2 children there while still having wife and kids in US in 1880 and 1870!
I rather fancy this family but thus far havent been able to make the certain link
Westminster St Margaret 1851 21 James St
Joseph Severn 57 Artist B London
Elizabeth 47 wife b Ayr Scotland
Walter 20 Ck Privy Council Offices b Rome (British Subject)
Mary Ann 18 b Rome (British subject)
Henry 19 Student at home B Rome (British Subject)
Arthur 8
Eleanor 8 twins born St Margarets Westminster
Marian Severn 53 Aunt b Middlesex
Emily Monteage 17 visitor b Middlesex

1841
Joseph 45 Historical Painter b England
Elizabeth 30 b Scotland
Claudia 12
Mary 11 both born Foreign Parts

This seems to fit the birth abroad of Charles and suggests the wealthy lifestyle he enjoyed (estate £915 when he died -quite a lot at that time)

seem a bit late in the day
ame: SEVERN, Edith B
Registration District: Help Wakefield
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1930
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Roberts
Volume No: Help 9C
Page No: Help 194

Name: ROBERTS, Terry
Registration District: Wakefield
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1930
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Severn
Volume No: 9C
Page No: 194
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Name: SEVERN, Edith B
Registration District: Help Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1936
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Small
Volume No: Help 6B
Page No: Help 1735

Name: SMALL, Godfrey J
Registration District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1936
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Severn
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 1735
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Many thanks for all your help. I don't think I will find Edith Beryl perhaps she went abroad.
Margaret

have'nt found her

Is Juliet Helen Fowler coming up in the 1911?

I haven't looked at 1911 yet is it free anywhere?
Margaret

from family search
Charles L Severn

United States Census, 1870


birth: 1835 —Pennsylvania
residence: Delaware, United States

record title: United States Census, 1870
name: Charles L Severn
estimated birth year: 1835
gender: Male
age in 1870: 35y
color (white, black, mulatto, chinese, indian): White
birthplace: Pennsylvania
home in 1870: Delaware, United States

-1837

Charles L. Severn

United States Census, 1880


birth: 1835 —Delaware, United States
residence: 1880 —Felton, Kent, Delaware
spouse: Beneleda Severn
children: Harry Severn, Mary Severn

record title: United States Census, 1880
name: Charles L. Severn
residence: Felton, Kent, Delaware
birthdate: 1835
birthplace: Delaware, United States
relationship to head: Self
spouse's name: Beneleda Severn
spouse's birthplace: Delaware, United States
father's birthplace: Delaware, United States
mother's birthplace: Delaware, United States
race or color (expanded): White
ethnicity (standardized): American
gender: Male
martial status: Married
age (expanded): 45 years
occupation: Carpenter
nara film number: T9-0117
page: 294
page character: B
entry number: 5449

marraige
View Record Edith Katherine Fowler Jan-Feb-Mar 1876 Kensington London
View Record Francis Frederick Hughes Jan-Feb-Mar 1876 Kensington London
View Record Charles Lloyd Severn Jan-Feb-Mar 1876 Kensington London
View Record Mary Ann Whiteman

There is a tree on Ancestry which records a Charles Severn b 1835 Pennsylvania who's spouse is a Penelope(no surname) b 1840 Delaware
They had 2 children
Henry b 1863 Pennsylvania
Mary b1868 "

Perhaps he is the same Charles and his wife died or was divorced and came to the UK and remarried
His marriage certificate to Edith Katherine would state his marital status

There is a reference to the 1870 US Census but I don't have access

had a look can't find anything

I think the most likely birthplace for Charles would be India -1835 birth abroad and yet he is a british subject -that would fit with possibly his father serving in the East India Company or the Army
Findmypast has India records -you caould try there

possibly mother death
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Edith K Severn
Name: Edith K Severn
Birth Date: abt 1856
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1926
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Wimborne
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 203