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Thank you so much Chris you are a wonder
I am so grateful
Margaret

Lol, I see what you mean on 1911 :-))

I think Susan's surname was Newland, a Marriage for her and Charles Barker 1874 Saffron Walden. (this comes under Esssex, and covers Clavering and nearby Langley)

1861

NEWLAND, Thomas Head Married M 40 1821 Shoe Maker
Clavering
Essex
NEWLAND, Rachell Wife Married F 44 1817
Langley
Essex
NEWLAND, William Son M 12 1849 Agricultural Labourer
Langley
Essex
NEWLAND, Thomas Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Clavering
Essex
NEWLAND, Susan Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Clavering
Essex
NEWLAND, George Son M 1 1860
Langley
Essex

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1120 Folio:
83 Page:
12

Registration District:
Saffron Walden Sub District:
1 Newport Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Rochester

Civil Parish:
Langley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Lower Green, Langley County:
Essex

So looks like it's all coming together, slowly :-))

Just take your time to digest it all Margaret, it may seem a bit boggling, but interesting at the same time!, lol.

Chris :)

Heelo Maureen thats a laugh but whats new this game eats away at
your money
Margaret

That is interesting,Margaret . I'm hoping Chris or Dea or someone will be able to look at the 1911 image as well. You'll laugh,but on first glance I thought it read "nearly skint".

Best regards,
Maureen

You are all so good to me I wonder if going blind runs in the family as I went blind a year ago, I have a talking computer and that is how i am able to read your replies Thank you
regards and best wishes to you all
Margaret

Ah gosh, Chris, that makes sense. Well done again !!!
I think I've caught up now (maybe ). I deleted 2 posts of mine because they were useless and the thread reads much better.

Not that it helps,but I did wonder about the Ba*ham connection. Elizabeth Green nee Ba*ham the widow who married James in 1905 doesn't seem to have ties with the Suffolk bunch .
Just for the heck of it


1851 census transcription details for: 7, Helmet Court, Saint Benet Pauls Wharf, London
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1528 Folio: 163 Page: 15

Reg. District: City of London Sub District: South West
Parish: Saint Benet Pauls Wharf Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: London
Address: 7, Helmet Court, Saint Benet Pauls Wharf, London
County: Middlesex

BADHAM, William Head Married M 42 1809 Journeyman Smith
Middlesex
BADHAM, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 38 1813
Easthorpe
Berkshire
BADHAM, Eliza A Daughter F 16 1835 Book Folder
London
Middlesex
>>>>BADHAM, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1837 Domestic At Home
London
Middlesex
BADHAM, Charles Son M 5 1846 At Home
London
Middlesex
BADHAM, Henry Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851
London
Middlesex


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Ann Badham
Name: Elizabeth Ann Badham
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Spouse Name: William Henry Green Occ: Porter
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1856
Parish: St James, Shoreditch
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Badham Occ: Smith
Spouse Father Name: George John Green Occ: Clerk ?
.......................
1871 census transcription details for: Helmit Row, St Luke Middlesex
RG number: RG10 Piece: 401 Folio: 22 Page: 37

Reg. District: Holborn Sub District: City Road
Parish: St Luke Middlesex Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Helmit Row, St Luke Middlesex
County: London, Middlesex

GREEN, William Head Occ: Carman M 38 1833 Middlesex
GREEN, Elizabeth Wife Occ: Tie maker F 33 1838 Middlesex
.................
1881 census transcription details for: 11, Langton Avenue, St Luke
RG number: RG11 Piece: 363 Folio: 122 Page: 46

Reg. District: Holborn Sub District: City Road
Parish: St Luke Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, Langton Avenue, St Luke
County: Middlesex

GREEN, William Head Married M 47 1834 Carman
GREEN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1841
WELCH, John Boarder Single M 19 1862 Labourer
BEER, John Boarder Single M 18 1863 Labourer
..................
1891 census transcription details for: 8, Helmet Row, St Luke, London
RG number: RG12 Piece: 232 Folio: 36 Page: 2

Reg. District: Holborn Sub District: City Road
Parish: St Luke Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: St Luke City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Helmet Row, St Luke, London
County: London
GREEN, William Head Married M 59 1832 Carman
Hackney
London
GREEN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 52 1839 Tie Maker
London
Thames Street
..............................

1901 census transcription details for: 47, Central Street, St Luke

RG number: RG13 Piece: 256 Folio: 45 Page: 14

Reg. District: Holborn Sub District: City Road
Parish: St Luke Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 47, Central Street, St Luke
County: London

GREEN, Elizebeth Head Widow F 62 1839 Tie Maker
London
........................

Can anyone make out just what is after James Poole's occupation on the 1911 ? I think it says " nearly blind " . Could be wrong since I'm almost there myself.

Maureen

On London marriages on Ancestry site you can look at the actual certificate.

James's father was named on there as George, a weaver.

Dea x

how did you find the name of James father on the marriage in 1905 because his fathers name was George
Thank you
M,argaret

Hello Margaret, that sounds like we have the right James then, son of George...

Have you got the Birth Certs. of either Eva or Ernest Poole?...

Chris :)

I do thank you all very much I am not sure what I am looking at now
James Poole was born in Haverhill Suffolk in 1839. I do not believe he was married to Susan but they had children together.
thanking you so much
Chris you are right about James Poole and his parents being
George and Maria Poole as on the 1841 census
So he remarried in 1905 thank you
Margaret

(bringing this back, in case Margaret pops in, plus it seems confusing, lol)

I can't see a Marriage for James and Susan, but is this James with Jane on 1871?, there is a Marriage for a James Poole to Jane Basham on FreeBMD 1865 Suffolk (it has been corrected, as surname was Batham!)

1871

POOL, James Head M 31 1840 Suffolk
POOL, Jane Wife F 25 1846 Suffolk
BASHAM, Olga Cousin F 12 1859 Suffolk

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1711 Folio:
153 Page:
24

Registration District:
Risbridge Sub District:
Haverhill Enumeration District:
6E Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Haverhill Municipal Borough:
Address:
Burton End, Haverhill County:
Suffolk


1881

POOLE, James Head Married M 41 1840 Genl Labourer
Haverhill
Suffolk
POOLE, Jane Wife Married F 35 1846
Haverhill
Suffolk

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1712 Folio:
80 Page:
48

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
West Ham Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
West Ham Municipal Borough:
Address:
36, Florence St, West Ham County:
Essex


Right, tricky bit!...
Can you see take a look at 1881 above, and note the Barker family living next to James...the wife is Susan from Clavering, born 1857!! (ish) and a daughter born in Sawston, Cambs.

Now, on the 1891 Census as posted below, that Charles Barker is with a wife Annie, and James Poole seems to be with Susan!...


1891

BARKER, Charles Head Married M 35 1856 Manager Cocoa Rooms
Langley
Essex
BARKER, Annie Wife Married F 27 1864
Upton Bishop
Herefordshire
BARKER, Melinda Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar
Sawston
Cambridgeshire
BARKER, Ethel Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Sawston
Cambridgeshire
BARKER, James H Son M 9 1882 Scholar
West Ham
Essex
BARKER, Gertrude Daughter F 3 1888
West Ham
Essex
BARKER, Charles L Son M 2 1889
Romford
Essex
BARKER, Violet A Daughter F 0 (5M) 1891
Balham
Surrey

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
444 Folio:
133 Page:
26

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Clapham Enumeration District:
40 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Ascension

Civil Parish:
Clapham Municipal Borough:
Clapham Address:
75, Balham Grove, Clapham County:
London


Here is James in 1901, West Ham, (as already posted)

POOLE, James Head Married M 51 1850 General Labourer
Haverhill
Sussex
POOLE, Susan Wife Married F 44 1857
Clarring (Clavering)
Essex
POOLE, Ethel Daughter Single F 22 1879
Lauston (Sawston)
Cambridgeshire
POOLE, Elsie Niece Single F 6 1895
Dalston
London


Then the marriage for James Poole (widower) in 1905 Holborn, giving his father as George, a weaver. This ties in with in 1841 as posted below...


1841

POOL, George M 25 1816 Suffolk (Weaver)
POOL, Maria F 25 1816
POOL, William M 9 1832 Suffolk
POOL, George M 8 1833 Suffolk
POOL, Hannah F 6 1835 Suffolk
POOL, James M 2 1839

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1032 Book/Folio:
25 Page:
3

Registration District:
Risbridge Sub District:
Haverhill Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Haverhill Municipal Borough:
Address:
Down's Lane, Haverhill County:
Suffolk

(noting, there is another James Poole, b 1841 in Haverhill, parents Robert and Emily)

Does seem a tangle, I was wondering if Margaret had any birth Certs. for Eva M Poole, or Ernest from the 1891 census, to see what mothers maiden name was?...


Eva Maud Wombwell was buried in Sawston, Cambs. 1959, 11th April, aged 77, a widow.


Sorry to be rambling, but didn't get on till late last night, and won't be back till teatime tonight!, (got relative hospital and Mum visiting!) and it's been bugging me, lol :-))...

Chris :)

Eva would be John's second wife then, I had this for them on 1911:




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WOMBWELL, John Head Married M 42 1869 Smallholder Essex Langley
WOMBWELL, Eva Maud Wife Married 6 years F 29 1882 Essex Plaistow
WOMBWELL, Ada Daughter F 12 1899 School Cambs Sawston

WOMBWELL, Elsie Daughter F 10 1901 School Cambs Sawston
WOMBWELL, John Ernest Son M 5 1906 Cambs Sawston
WOMBWELL, Arthur Jas Son M 3 1908 Cambs Sawston
WOMBWELL, Eva May Daughter F 1 1910 Cambs Sawston

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG14PN9143 RG78PN485 RD182 SD1 ED6 SN6

Registration District Linton Sub District:
Duxford Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Sawston

Address:
Babraham Road Sawston Cambridgeshire County:
Cambridgeshire

Dea x

I think I am getting a bit lost here - going to get dressed and make a cup of tea.

I will return..............

Dea x

Re: The James who married Elizabeth Green in 1905 - his father was George Poole, a weaver!

We must be able to connect them here.

Has anyone found James's marriage to Susan yet please?

Dea x

OOhhh Chris - Sawston Cambs is where their daughter Eva moved to with her husband John Wombwell!!!

Looks promising.

Dea x

Name: James Poole
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Registration district: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number:1217
spouse Elizabeth Green

Off of original request!, but have just noticed a burial for a John Poole, aged 73,18th March, 1913 Sawston. Cambs. (from Parish CD I have)

Chris :)

Ethel is their niece !!!

Eva married John Wombwell and moved to Cambridgeshire - parents are not with her!

Dea x

?????

1911 census transcription details for: 8 Mitchell Street
RG14PN1265 RG78PN43 RD14 SD3 ED17 SN181

Reg. District: Holborn Sub District: St Luke
Parish: St Luke Enum. District: 17
Address: 8 Mitchell Street
County: London

POOLE, James Head M 71 1840 No Occupation Haverhill Suffolk
POOLE, Elizabeth Wife F 73 1838 Tie Maker Upper Thames St City

They've only been married for 6 years.

Ethel is said to be born Sawston, Cambs, but not seeing her 1881 yet!...

Chris :)

so if there was two children Eva and Ernest who is Ethel on the 1901 census?