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yes the 1911 Frederick Johnson that Rose found is my relative & he gives his birthplace as Lincoln, Louth. All the other details match up, wife's place of birth, children's ages and my grandad's DOB & place of birth. Why he used frederick instead of his name George I don't know, but then my grandad's name was also George Frederick but he was always called Fred.

Earlswood is near Redhill in Surrey.

Rose

The Fred Johnson born Louth that you found in 1911 can't be your George Frederick as it states he is single ( when you know he married in 1906) and his age is nowhere near.

JOHNSON, Fred Grandson -Single M -15- 1896 Errand Boy LOUTH


You need to see the details of the 1911 which Rose has posted for the Frederick ( with wife Elizabeth) aged 24. to see where he gives as his birthplace
Hendon is where he was living, not where he was born.

I think that this is him, born lincoln, louth. He used to go by the name Fred apparently although his name was George frederick.
His address on the marriage certificate was 2 hollis row, earlswood (which I think is in middlesex)
presumably i would need to find his birth record and then order a certificate and see what details are entered for his parents ?

What was George Frederick's address on the marriage?

Rose

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD JOHNSON ELIZABETH F 1886 25 Hendon Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD JOHNSON ELIZABETH F 1906 5 Hendon Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD JOHNSON FREDERICK M 1908 3 Hendon Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD JOHNSON FREDERICK M 1887 24 Hendon Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD JOHNSON FLORABNCE F 1910 1 Hendon Middlesex

Rose

He's not listed as Fred in 1911, he's listed as Frederick c1887 if it's the one in Hendon.

Rose

So they married in Reigate and there was another relative called Edith. All important stuff.

Marriages Jun 1906
Johnson George Frederick Reigate 2a 418
MERVIN Elizabeth Reigate 2a 418

Rose

George Frederick Johnson married Elizabeth Mervin 16 April 1906. He was 20 & she was 19. His father was William Richard Johnson, foreman. At the time they both lived at 2 Hollis Row, Earlswood. I know quite a bit about Elizabeth so that side is fine. The marriage certificate was witnessed by William Richard Johnson & Edith Johnson.
I have found George on the 1911 census under the name of 'Fred' Johnson and his place of birth is listed on the census as Lincoln.

Fred Johnson, 1896:
1911
GURBUTT, George Head Widower M 70 1841 Bricklayer Louth Lincolnshire
ROBINSON, Eliza Daughter Married 13 years F 38 1873 Housekeeper Domestic Louth Lincolnshire
ROBINSON, Annie Granddaughter F 11 1900 School Grimsby Lincolnshire VIEW
ROBINSON, George Grandson M 10 1901 School Grimsby
ROBINSON, Ivy Granddaughter F 5 1906 School Louth
ROBINSON, Olive Granddaughter F 3 1908 Louth
JOHNSON, William Grandson Single M 20 1891 Groom Louth
xxx JOHNSON, Fred Grandson Single M 15 1896 Errand Boy LOUTH
JOHNSON, Jack Grandson M 10 1901 School Louth

RG number: RG14 Piece: 19895 Reference: RG14PN19895 RG78PN1193 RD421 SD2 ED2 SN211
Registration District: Louth Sub District: Louth Enumeration District:
2 Parish: Louth
Address: 8 Eve Street Louth County: Lincolnshire

Please post the 1911 census. There's no Fred Johnson born Louth showing.

Rose

Where was the marriage and who was the bride?

Rose

Can't see a birth in Louth for George Frederick Johnson.
Your opening post gives his DOB as 1888. Where did you get that from?

What occupations did it give for George and his father on the marriage cert please ?

well could be - but on the marriage certificate it doesn't state that william richard johnson was deceased - it normally does if they aere doesn't it ?

Was the William. Johnson who witnessed the marriage certificate definately the father?
It could have been the groom's brother or cousin perhaps. (especially as you can't find him in 1901)

sorry - can add that on george frederick johnson's marriage certificate he put his age as 20 (16 April 1906) so he would have been born about 1886.

I know that William Richard Johnson he was alive in 1906 as he signed my great grandad's marriage certificate - but I haven't been able to identify him on any 1901 or 1911 census. My great grandfather George Frederick Johnson, is on the 1911 census as Fred Johnson and states that he was born in Louth, Lincoln, but I haven't been able to establish much more than that - i/e don;t know his mother's name or exact DOB.Also he may have been registered under the name of Kidd ???? sorry am quite new to all this. I think that William Richard Johnson may have been death registered under his original name of Kidd but again not sure only hearsay.

You must know more as you are descended from him. One of his children must be your great grandfather/mother.

I assume George Frederick Johnson is your great grandfather so where was he born and who was his mother?

Rose

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How do you know William died after 1906 ?

Do you know which country William was from ?

Are we looking at England & Wales ?


Could this be him ?

Births Sep 1860
KIDD William Richard - London City 1c 58