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Thanks people. Looks like those 2 riddles have been solved.

Annie Rowland 1911
ROWLAND, Robert Joppon Brother Single M 40 1871 Lace Manufacturer Nottingham
ROWLAND, Ada Sa F 43 1868 Nottingham
ROWLAND, Annie F 12 1899 Nottingham
RENSHAW, Mary Servant Single F 18 1893 Domestic East Normanton
RG number: RG14 Piece: 20493 Reference: RG14PN20493 RG78PN1228 RD430 SD1 ED4 SN320

Registration District: Nottingham Sub District: Nottingham South West Enumeration District: 4 Parish: Nottingham

Address: 12 Gregory Avenue Lenton Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire

No Clara found.

Looking for a birth for Clara....... obviously there's not one showing... but I did wonder about this little one;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
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Heighton Florence Nottingham 7b 294


Then this death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1882 (>99%)
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HEIGHTON Florence 3 Nottingham 7b 170



I can't see her in 1881.

Marriage for Annie?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Baker Frederick Thomas Nottingham 7b 538
Heighton Annie Nottingham 7b 538
Hotching Phebe Ellen Nottingham 7b 538
Rowland George Alfred Nottingham 7b 538


1901 England Census
about George A Rowland Name: George A Rowland
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's name: Robert J Rowland
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Radford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:Book Keeper

Condition as to marriage: WIDOWER

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 311
Piece: 3183
Folio: 97
Page Number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Robert J Rowland 67
Ada Sabina Rowland 32
Robt J Rowland 30
George A Rowland 26
Annie Rowland 2 >> Grandaughter
Esther Harson 16


Her death??

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Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Rowland Annie 24 Nottingham 7b 208


Her death maybe something to do with her daughters birth??

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Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Rowland Annie Nottingham 7b 343

Okay people, Wendy has confirmed that Jane Elizabeth Heighton was the daughter of Thomas Lawrence Heighton and she married John Lee and I think I've found them in 1911 living at Wimbourne Road, Nottingham, Jane using only her middle name.

Here's the family in 1881.



Name: Jane Heighton
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas L. Heighton
Gender: Female
Where born: Fiskerton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Radford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Clifford St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Radford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3343
Folio: 20
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas L. Heighton 32
Jane Heighton 32
Elizabeth Heighton 8
Anne Heighton 6
Clara Heighton 3
Thos.L. Heighton 1
William Hy. Heighton
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From the 1911 I have Thomas, Arthur and Frederick still with their parents, Jane married to John Lee. William Henry died 1882 by the looks of things. So the only thing to figure out now are what became of Ann and Clara and to find Clara's birth.

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1901

LEE, John Head Married M 31 1870 Lace Maker
Derby VIEW
LEE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1873
Nottm VIEW
LEE, Gladys Daughter F 0 (10 MOS) 1901
Nottm VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3183 Folio:
93 Page:
41

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Nottingham North West Enumeration District:
20 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Old Radford

Civil Parish:
Nottingham Municipal Borough:
Address:
14, Osborne Terrace Ben Street, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire




1911

LEE, John Head Married M 41 1870 Lace Maker Derby VIEW
LEE, Elizabeth Wife Married
19 years F 38 1873 Nottingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20622 Reference:
RG14PN20622 RD430 SD4 ED30 SN126

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Nottingham North West Enumeration District:
30 Parish:
Nottingham

Address:
11 Wimbourne Road Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire



4 children born, 4 have died

Hi Joy,

Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you, I now have the marriage of Jane Elizabeth Heighton.

14 Nov 1891 at St Peter's Church Radford

John Lee, age 21yrs, Bachelor, Lacemaker of Gadd Street, father John Lee a Lacemaker
to Jane Elizabeth Heighton, age 18yrs, spinster, of Winbourne Road, father Thomas Lawrence Heighton
Wittenesses: Thomas Lawrence Heighton and Annie Heighton.

If you want a copy pm me your email address.

Wendy

Thanks Dea,

T'other Dee xx

I checked that Dee

I think they had 4 left and there were 3 still living with them at home.

Maybe Joy knows of another one who was still alive at that time who is not with the family?

Dea x

Just a thought. Father Thomas is still living in 1911, is mother Jane too??

If so wouldn't it say on the 1911 census how many children they had and if any died??

Dee x

Hi people.

Sorry for not replying sooner. Life has been a little more than hectic the past few days and my internet connection has been playing up.

Thanks for the offer of the marriage Wendy, hoping this Jane Elizabeth is the daughter of Thomas Lawrence Heighton.

Thanks for all the help everyone else.

Nudge up

Thanks Wendy :-D

Hi,

I'm the Wendy that +++DetEcTive+++ above was on about, sorry been off line for a few days.
I checked my marriage disc and Jane Elizabeth Heighton married John Lee on 14 Nov 1891 at Radford Church. I can get you a copy next week when I'm at Nottingham Archives.

Wendy

Working on the fact that Jane Elizabeth Heighton was born 1873 and married John Lee in 1891 could this be her death?
Name: LEE, Jane E
Registration District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of Registration: 1951
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 77
Volume No: 3C
Page No: 536

Oh bother Dee so that marriage rules out another one

She is not with her parents in 1901 nor 1911
if I have found the right father as Thomas Lawrence Heighton



Yes I know wrong area but you never know
Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Lee Jane Elizabeth 23 Chorlton 8c 510

Just confirming GB's 1901 and 1911 census;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
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DOBBS Tracy Ellen Basford 7b 293
>>>>>>>>FELSTEAD Jane Basford 7b 293
GOOCH Ethel Emmeline Basford 7b 293
>>>>>>>>LEE John Basford 7b 293

1901 looks as if he is single

Name: John Lee
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's name: Samuel Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Carlton
Ecclesiastical parish: Carlton St Paul
Town: Carlton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Piece: 3160
Folio: 96
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Lee 63
John Lee 30
Christopher H Brettle 20
Florence Brettle 22
William H Brettle 1

1911 rule this one out

EVERTON, Walter James Head Married M 37 1874 Fruit Merchant Billesdon Leicestershire VIEW
EVERTON, Jane Elizabeth Wife Married
13 years F 36 1875 Radford Notts VIEW
EVERTON, Jane Elsie Daughter F 11 1900 School Leicestershire Notts VIEW
EVERTON, Edith Ann Daughter F 5 1906 Leicestershire Notts VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
19212 Reference:
RG14PN19212 RG78PN1150B RD407 SD1 ED48 SN139

Registration District:
Leicester Sub District:
North West Leicester Enumeration District:
48 Parish:
Leicester

Address:
57 St Michaels Avenue Belgrave



Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Everton Walter James Leicester 7a 612
Hill Sarah Annie Leicester 7a 612
Mee Jane Elizabeth Leicester 7a 612
Needham Albert Edward Leicester 7a 612



1911?
LEE, John Head Married M 40 1871 Carter To Timber Carlton Notts VIEW
LEE, Jane Wife Married F 37 1874 Cotton Doubler Carlton Notts VIEW
NEWTON, Mary Boarder Married F 39 1872 Cotton Doubler Carlton Notts VIEW
DENHAM, Annie Boarder Single F 13 1898 Doffer For Cotton Doubler Carlton Notts VIEW
FELSTEAD, Ruben Boarder Widower M 72 1839 General Labourer Jobbing Work Leicester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20464 Reference:
RG14PN20464 RG78PN1226 RD429 SD6 ED6 SN100

Registration District:
Basford Sub District:
Carlton Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Carlton

Address:
33 Manvers St Netherfield Nottinghamshire

samuel smith shaw to jane bertie abell 21 11 1889 radford st peter
jane elizabeth heighton to john lee 14 11 1891 radford st peter