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1911 census - household transcription
Person: MCCARROLL, Catherine
Address: 43 Gedling St Bermondsey


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MCCARROLL, Catherine Head Widow F 82 1829 Newry Co Down Ireland VIEW
MCCARROLL, James Son Single M 42 1869 Boot Rivetter Newry Co Down Ireland VIEW
MCCARROLL, Bridget Daughter Single F 46 1865 Pattern Card Mounter Newry Co Down Ireland VIEW

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Is this the same family?

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possible???????????????



Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Richd Cody
Spouse: Cathe McCarthy
Marriage Date: 1826
Parish: St. George In The East


same marriage:-


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Richard Cady
Spouse Name: Catharine Mccarthy
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1826
Parish: St George in the East
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets


from image:-

Richard:- Bachelor

Catherine:- Spinster

Witnesses:- B Moore and Honorine (??) McCarthy


Unfortunately, parents and occupations were not shown on certificates before 1837



sylvia

ja...x


thank you!



probably NOT!


the family we are looking at don't seem to have had a daughter Bridget


and Catherine seems to have maintained birth place in London, often Aldgate.




so I think we can scratch that one ............ Murray, forget that Catherine McCarroll!







sylvia

need to check these out, but one of the Family Trees show these as children of Richard Cody and Catherine McCarthy

John Cody
1827 –
Baptism 11 April 1827, City of London Lying in Hospital, Parish of St Luke


Catherine Cody
1829 –
Aldgate


William Cody
1832 –
Aldgate


Joseph Cody
1835 –
Ireland


Ellen Cody
1841 – 1887
Sept qt 1841, Whitechapel


James Cody
1842 –
Whitechapel, Middlesex


James Cody
1849 –
Whitechapel




same tree shows

Catherine MacCarthy
born 16 Aug 1807, City of London
Baptised 22 Dec 1813, St Botolph without Aldgate

Parents:-
William McCarthy
Elizabeth




as I said ............... these need very carefully checking out, but it's dinnertime here on the west coast!




sylvia

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Catherine Mccarthy
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1813
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1813
Father's name: William Mccarthy
Mother's name: Elizabeth Mccarthy
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph without Aldgate
Borough: City of London


from image:-

Born:- Aug 16 1807
Address:- Rose Town
Father occupation:- Mariner


sylvia

form the Mormon site:-

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: John Goodridge
bride's name: Sarah Hibberd
marriage date: 25 Dec 1830
marriage place: Martin, Wiltshire, England
indexing project (batch) number: I03688-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1279414




I can't see anything else for her, pre-marriage



sylvia

Jacs found a baptism for Sarah with parents Arthur and Lucy


These seem as if they might be quite unusual names for the time


which makes me wonder about these 2 records from the Mormon site

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Willm. Hibberd
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Feb 1814
baptism/christening place: South Damerham, Wiltshire, England
father's name: Arthur Hibberd
mother's name: Lucy Hibberd
indexing project (batch) number: I07458-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1279387


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Elizabeth Hibberd
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 May 1816
baptism/christening place: South Damerham, Wiltshire, England
father's name: Arthur Hibberd
mother's name: Lucy Hibberd
indexing project (batch) number: I07458-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1279387



sylvia

and these:-

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: George Hibberd
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 Jul 1825
baptism/christening place: Martin, Wiltshire, England
father's name: Arthur Hibberd
mother's name: Lucy Hibberd
indexing project (batch) number: I03688-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1279414


name: Mary Ann Hibberd
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 Feb 1823
baptism/christening place: Martin, Wiltshire, England
father's name: Arthur Hibberd
mother's name: Lucy Hibberd
indexing project (batch) number: I03688-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1279414




Note that these 2 say Martin, WILTSHIRE, not Hampshire




sylvia

???possibly Matilda??

from the Mormon site


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Matilda Jacobs
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 14 Apr 1833
baptism/christening place: WESLEYAN METHODIST CHAPEL,TIVERTON,DEVON,ENGLAND
birth date: 26 May 1828
father's name: William Jacobs
mother's name: Susanna
indexing project (batch) number: C09585-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 917111



plus possible siblings

name: Susannah Jacobs
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 30 Oct 1831
baptism/christening place: WESLEYAN METHODIST CHAPEL,TIVERTON,DEVON,ENGLAND
birth date: 24 Sep 1830
father's name: William Jacobs
mother's name: Susannah
indexing project (batch) number: C09585-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 917111


name: Sarah Jacobs
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 14 Apr 1833
baptism/christening place: WESLEYAN METHODIST CHAPEL,TIVERTON,DEVON,ENGLAND
birth date: 10 Mar 1833
father's name: William Jacobs
mother's name: Susanna
indexing project (batch) number: C09585-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 917111





sylvia

Jacs found the 1841 Census for Matilda

here's more information from the census image:-

Name Age
William Jacobs 60 b.ca 1781, Devon, Labourer
Susan Jacobs 40 b.ca 1801, Devon, Lace Winder (??)
Matilda Jacobs 13 Lace Weaver
Susanna Jacobs 10 b.ca 1831, Devon, Lace Winder (??)
Sarah Jacobs 8 b.ca 1833, Devon
Emily Jacobs 2 MO b.ca 1841, Devon

Address:- Back Lane



sylvia

so it looks as though father William died, and Susan(nah) remarried

1851 Census

Name: Emily Jacobs
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Geo Rowden
Mother's name: Susan Rowden
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Tiverton

Civil parish: Tiverton
Town: Tiverton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Tiverton
Sub-registration district: Tiverton

Geo Rowden 53 b.ca 1798, South Molton, Carpenter
Susan Rowden 52 b.ca 1799, Bradnich
Sarah Jacobs 13 b.ca 1838, Tiverton, daughter-in-law, Lace Hand
Emily Jacobs 10 daughter-in-law, Scholar
Edith Nowden 16 b.ca 1835, South Molton, daughter, Lace Hand 99%)

JACOBS William Tiverton & 10 230



Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)

JACOBS Susanna Tiverton 10 439
ROWDEN George Tiverton 10 439




sylvia

A Public Family Tree on ancestry says that Matilda's father was William Jacobs, and her mother was Susanna Miller

No further information on William

Susanna
born 1799, Bradninch, Devon

Baptised 9 February 1800

Father William Miller
Mother Mary Dunsford


William Miller married Mary Dunsford 13 June 1787, Bradninch

nothing further on William Miller

Mary Dunsford was born 1741
Baptized 25 Oct 1741

Father Benjamin Dunsford

Mother Mary




This tree does seem to be well documented ......... there are copies of parish register entries, etc etc





sylvia

Thanks so much Sylvia.

You've done some great, and clear, thinking on this puzzle.

I believe you are correct... I got the death for the wrong Catherine McCarroll in Toronto. I remember being quite surprised to find that she had gone to Toronto, and I was right to be surprised, it wasn't her.

Yes, that's my Joseph McCarroll buried in Prospect Cemetery in 1931.

And yes, I had the 1861 census info. So it appears Catherine was underage at marriage.

I will sort through the other info you've provided.

Thanks so much.
Murray

Hi Murray

Good luck!!




I have just noticed that the freebmd information on William Jacobs death did not show properly


Deaths Mar 1845 (>99%)

JACOBS William Tiverton & 10 230



Also ... the address on that 1851 Census was Back Lane .............. same as on the 1841, but neither showed a number for the house, so can not tell whether it was the same house on both censuses, or just on the same street.




sylvia

Hi Sylvia el al::

A follow-up to a reply from SylviainCanada...

Sylvia wrote the following:
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Murray, you posted:-
"The death cert for 1917 I found in Toronto listing her age as 76 is either the wrong age reported by her son, or I got the wrong Catherine McCarroll."

I THINK you might have the wrong person!

There are 3 Public Family Trees on ancestry for William McCarroll and catherine Cody

Son Joseph McCarroll was buried in Canada:-
7 Mar 1931 Prospect Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario

BUT Catherine seems to have died 1913 in Surrey, England according to all 3 trees

and this is on www.freebmd.org.uk
Deaths Dec 1913 (>99%)
McCarroll Catherine 74 St.Olave 1d 169


and this is on the 1911 Census
HOUSEHOLD MCCARROLL CATHERINE F 1829 82 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

In the same household are:-
HOUSEHOLD MCCARROLL BRIDGET F 1865 46 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
HOUSEHOLD MCCARROLL JAMES M 1869 42 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

I did this using the free search ..... I do not have access to any further on that census, but someone else may be able to check it for you, and see whether this really is Catherine Cody

sylvia
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I tried unsuccessfully to access the 3 trees you mentioned, both from my home computer and at our local library. Any suggestions on how to find these 3 trees?

Also, in the 1911 census does it mention relationships of Catherine McCarroll, Bridget McCarroll and James McCarroll? I don't know of Bridget and James unless those 2 are married and James is Catherine's son. (I had her son James as born in 1866).

Many thanks for any help.

Murray

I think you will find Murray that the 1911 census is not anything to do with your catherine...I posted it at the top of this page as Sylvia does not have full access to FMP

jax

Thanks Jax.

Yes, I had read your message about that Catherine MCarroll with the Bridget.

Too many Catherine McCarrolls with sons named James!

So maybe my death of Catherine in Toronto is correct after all? The only questionable aspect of that one was her age. But my Catherine appeared to have lied about her age at marriage.

Murray

and I posted this after Jax posted the full 1911 information



ja...x

thank you!

probably NOT!

the family we are looking at don't seem to have had a daughter Bridget

and Catherine seems to have maintained birth place in London, often Aldgate.


so I think we can scratch that one ............ Murray, forget that Catherine McCarroll!

sylvia




I left the information up because it does remove that Catherine from contention ......... just in case any one else comes along to help!


sylvia

re accesssing family trees

I enter the name, birth year and palce of person in the Search boxes on Home page

I tend to sue London, England rather than more specific areas of London.


Click Submit


and Family Trees shows up on the next screen ........ you have to scroll down to find them

Then just open Public Family Trees, and scroll down until you find the one you're looking for


I do use Old Search, not the new one, which I dislike




OR you could try (and I've never searched this way!)

Click on Search in the top bar on the home page

Scroll down to Public Family Trees



sylvia