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Thanks for that - is that all I need to ask for?

Kerryn

Kerryn, if you go down further your thread, it was later corrected that it was not your Doris' death. There has been no further deaths for Doris in Victoria up to 1985.

As Doris' husband died in South Australia, there is a possibility that Doris remarried and died there also.

Joy

Hi All, Just been playing with the above information and maybe this Doris is the daughter of Doris as it makes her 113yrs old at death. Any thoughts on this?

Kerryn

Hi All, Just been playing with the above information and maybe this Doris is the daughter of Doris as it makes her 113yrs old at death. Any thoughts on this?

Kerryn

Deaths of John & Emma

Surname: Crooks
Name: Jno
Event: Death
Fathers Name: John
Mothers Name: Mary Jamison
Age: 50
Birthplace: Ayrshire
Yr: 1879
Reg No: 10628

Surname: Crooks
Name: Emma Dinah
Event: death
Fathers Name: George Reynolds
Mothers Name: Dinah Goodman
Age: 82
Deathplace: Hawthorn
Yr: 1915
Reg No: 1665

if you go to prov.vic.gov.au/wills-and-probate

There is a will for John also, (it might have some family details)
residence Talbot
occupation was a Leather Cutter
To whom committed - Emma, David & R Crooks

REYNOLDS, EMMA DINAH
Gender: Female
Birth 1832 - ENGLAND [AO]
Marriage/Relationship: 1853 - HOBART,TASMANIA ( CROOKS, JOHN ) [AO]
Death: 1915 - VICTORIA [AO]

FAMILY INFORMATION

Parents:
155877 GOODMAN DINAH 1806
415474 REYNOLDS GEORGE 1806

Siblings:
415757 REYNOLDS THOMAS AUGUSTUS 1831
415376 REYNOLDS ELIZA 1834
415333 REYNOLDS CHARLOTTE 1836
415365 REYNOLDS EDWARD 1839
415720 REYNOLDS SARAH 1840
415464 REYNOLDS FREDERICK 1841
415265 REYNOLDS AMY 1843
415285 REYNOLDS ANNIE 1844
415249 REYNOLDS ALFRED 1845
415604 REYNOLDS PHILIP 1848

This page also has...

(Note Robert Jno b. 1887 could not have maried Sarah in 1890! The middle name Craig must be just coincidence...!)

John Craig CROOKS was born in 1858 in Amherst Victoria.

Children:
Agnes Mary b.1882,
Margaret b.1884,
Robert John b.1887

Parents: Robert CROOKS and Agnes FORREST.
Spouse: Catherine ANDERSON.

Catherine ANDERSON and John Craig CROOKS were married in 1882.

From http://dunn-brigden-familytree.com/b50.html

John Ellice Christenedm CROOKS was born in 1829 in Ayrshire Scotland. He died on 14 October 1879 in Amherst Victoria. He was a Bootmaker and Grocer. He took the name of his step father. He spent 7 years in Tasmania then his last 27 years in Victoria.

Parents: John CRAIG and Margaret JAMIESON.
Spouse: Emma Dinah REYNOLDS.

Emma Dinah REYNOLDS and John Ellice Christenedm CROOKS were married on 5 July 1853 at St Johns Church Tasmania.

Children were: Margaret Emma CROOKS, Eliza Charlotte CROOKS, Annie Elizabeth CROOKS, Emma Annie CROOKS, George David CROOKS, Rose Amy CROOKS, Ann CROOKS, Robert John CROOKS, Earnest Talbot CROOKS, John Reynolds CROOKS.

Hi Kerryn,

I think that this will be the correct Robert John born in 1867

Surname: Crooks
Name: Robert John
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: John
Mothers Name: Emma Dinah Reynolds
Birthplace: Amherst
Yr: 1867
Reg No: 19423

Note: Amherst is very close to Talbot in the Maryborough Ballarat Goldfields area of Victoria

births of Roberts' siblings, all born to John & Emma Dinah Reynolds

Name: Margaret Emma
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Camp [Campbells Creek]
Yr: 1854
Reg No: 2862

Name: Eliza Charlotte
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Campbells [Campbells Creek]
Yr: 1855
Reg No: 11528

Name: Annie Elizth
Event:: Birth
Birthplace: Richmond
Yr: 1859
Reg No: 18253

Name: Emma Annie
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Rich [Richmond]
Yr: 1862
Reg No: 4576

Name: George David
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Amhe [Amherst]
Yr: 1864
Reg No: 6188

Name: Rose Amy
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Talbot
Yr: 1865
Reg No: 12635

Name: Ernest Talbot
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Amherst
Yr: 1872
Reg No: 13283

Name: John Reynolds
Event: Birth
Birthplace: Amherst
Yr: 1872
Reg No: 20459

Marriages & Deaths

Name: Margaret Emma
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: McPhee (birthplace Inverness)
Spouses Name: Dugald
Yr: 1874
Reg No: 2147

Surname: McPhee
Name: Margaret Emma
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Jno Crooks
Mothers Name: Emma Reynolds
Deathplace: Kew
Age: 86
Yr: 1940
Reg No: 8492

Name: Eliza Charlotte
Event: Death
Deathplace: Camp [Campbells Creek]
Age: 19
Yr: 1875
Reg No: 5378

Name: Annie Elizabeth
Event: Death
Age: 14 mths
Deathplace: Ric [Richmond]
Yr: 1860
Reg No: 10749

Name: Emma Annie
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Stanley
Spouses Name: Geo
Birthplace: Carlton
Yr: 1908
Reg No: 1661

Surname: Stanley
Name: Emma Annie
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Jno Craig Crooks
Mothers Name: Emma Dinah Reynolds
Deathplace: Richmond
Age: 77
Yr: 1939
Reg No: 9494

Name: Amy Rose
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Enders (Birthplace Ballarat)
Spouses Name: Eugene Herbt
Yr: 1911
Reg No: 10838

Surname: Enders
Name: Amy Rose
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Robt Crooks
Mothers Name: Emma Unk
Deathplace: Kew
Yr: 86
Yr 1952
Reg No: 4622

Name: George David
Event: Death
Age: 7 wks
Deathplace: Amherst
Yr: 1864
Reg No: 2564

Name: John Reynolds
Event: Death
Age: 6 yrs
Deathplace: Talbot
Yr: 1883
Reg No: 3567

thanks so much yet again. My mums family is more than complicated! I will contact Orange see what I can find and then get back to you if I need any more help. I have lots of avenues to keep me occupied for a while now.

Re John Craig that married Catherine Anderson - He actually took his step fathers name which was Crooks and went by the name of John Craig Crooks so that is why his children are named Crooks and not Craig. Just so we get even more confused!

Thanks again Kerryn

Hi Kerryn

Can we start with what you know for sure. How have you got to Robert John Crooks in the first place, what is the factual evidence that you have

We can maybe start from that point to trace the correct John

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Hold the boat -

just realised there are 2 Robert John Crooks -
one born to John Craig Crooks and Catherine Anderson (this is the one I was after born 1887 Talbot who I thought were the parents of Doris Jean Crooks. Maybe it was Robert John Crooks that was the son of John Ellice Crooks and Emma Dinah reynolds? I am now confused!

:-S - Kerryn :-D

I definitely mean you are all wonderful people to be able to find all of this!!

I am unsure what her birth date should actually be because her father would have only been about 11 yrs old when he had her so she was probably born later than 1897. That part just didn't add up but everything I looked up said when they were born so I just put down those dates knowing something was wrong somewhere.

Thanks so much

Kerryn xx

Ah yes rigt you are, helen! Maths was never my best subject :-)

Ginny, can you see Doris' death in SA?

Brilliant, Ginny, wondered why I couldn't find his death! :-)

Leading on from Cherilyns' brilliant find

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Frank Hyland Stewart Smith
Name: Frank Hyland Stewart Smith
Father's name: Frank Smith
Mother's name: Georgina Stewart
Birth Place: Brighton, Victoria
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 9868


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Frank Hyland Stewart Smith
Name: Frank Hyland Stewart Smith
Death Date: 22 Jul 1959
Death Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1956-1960
Registration Place: South Australia
Page Number: 5059
Volume Number: 895

This could be her death in Ryersons -

SMITH Doris Jean Death notice 18AUG2006 Death 89 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 21AUG2006

See http://ryersonindex.net/search.php

The death notice may tell you more, i.e. any children's names.

Doris Jean CROOKS married Frank Hyland Stewart SMITH in 1927 in Victoria (reg 9152).

No deaths found in Victoria to 1985, though they are in Vic in electoral rolls up to 1937.

According to this notice on NLA Trove, Doris married a Mr Smith -

The Argus, Wednesday 23 October 1935
WILLS AND ESTATES
Robert John Crooks, retired grazier, of Devon street, Caulfield, formerly of Mitford street, St Kilda, who died on August 17, left by will dated August 29, 1934, real estate of a gross value of £1 534 and personal property of a gross value of £3 828 to Doris Jean Smith of Wando grove, East St Kilda.

What do you mean everyone ;-)

You're welcome

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