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Thanks Maddie,

I note that Thomas and Mary had three married sons, one grandson (my husband's uncle) and one granddaughter living witgh them in 1911.

Rather them than me at age 76!

One very elderly, but very lucid relative of hubby probably knows more.

oh bless i hope he was'nt a cradle snatcher
he was a game old soul
regards
maddie

Thanks, Maddie, for the Thomas & Mary family - James, their son is the connection.

We also discovered that James married twice:

1. Mary Bould

2. Annie Ulatt (previously married to a Mr Errington)

If you'd like a laugh (from our time distance, of course), one of the older Newton family members now recalls that they had to stop James from marrying for a third time in his 80s!

Spoil sports!

From the local index at
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/msearch.nsf/msearch?openform

1855 TAYLOR Mary
1855 NEWTON Thomas
Marriage venue - St Michael, Newburn
Register No./Entry No.
EMH1/194

1883 BOULD Mary
1883 NEWTON James
Marriage venue - St James (Benwell Parish)
Register No./Entry No.
EJA2/70

The latter doesn't match too well with 24 y in 1911.

Maddie was right. James Newton married (1) Mary Bould and (2) Annie Errington (nee Ulatt); she's the lady born in Staffordshire..

In one night, with everyone's help, we've got back to 1811 - many thanks everyone.

Hi Joyce,

With reference to Annie b1857 is James Newton's 2nd wife

Annie Errington Nee Ulatt married James Newton in 1899 in Newburn,Northumberland.
She is my 2nd grand aunt on my maternal side


Regards
Val :-D

Joyce have pm'd you

that sounds promising

youcould try the cupboard for hubby !!!!!!
do you know what registration district was for castle ward after 1911 as i can find nothing relevant for death entries

Maddie

Thanks, Maddie.

I'm going down the Mary Bould line first because John, James's son, has the middle name Bould.

Can't find hubby's skeletons yet - give me time!

strangely James not living with a wife in 1911
NEWTON, Thomas Head Married
55 years M 78 1833 Coal Miner Hewer Northumberland Newburn VIEW
NEWTON, Mary Wife Married
55 years F 76 1835 Northumberland Newburn VIEW
NEWTON, Padison Son Married M 57 1854 Coal Miner Hewer None Worker Northumberland Newburn VIEW
NEWTON, James Son Married M 53 1858 Coal Miner Hewer Northumberland Newburn VIEW
NEWTON, Peter Son Single M 36 1875 Stoneman Miner Northumberland Northwallbottle VIEW
NEWTON, Edward Grandson Single M 15 1896 Driver Pit Pony Northumberland Throckley VIEW
NEWTON, Sarah Grandagter F 13 1898 School Northumberland Throckley VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30877 Reference:
RG14PN30877 RG78PN1765 RD560 SD3 ED7 SN61

Registration District:
Castle Ward Sub District:
Newburn Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Newburn Hall

Address:
20 Stanley St Lemington O/t County:
Northumberland

it says he has been married for 24 years

could these be a possibilty
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: NEWTON, James Dodd
Registration District: Help Castle Ward
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 10B
Page No: Help 452
MarriageFinder™: James Dodd Newton married one of the following people Help
THOMPSON, Mary view record

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: NEWTON, James
Registration District: Help Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 10B
Page No: Help 3
MarriageFinder™: James Newton married one of the following people Help


BOULD, Mary view record



BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: NEWTON, Mary
Registration District: Help Castle Ward
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 36
Volume No: 10B
Page No: 198
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BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: NEWTON, James
Registration District: Help Castle Ward
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 10B
Page No: Help 537
MarriageFinder™: James Newton married one of the following people Help


ERRINGTON, Annie view record


probably a shot in the dark
maddie

Found John Bould Newton's birth - no mmn given; reg. Castle Ward, 1893 3Q.
Found his son (H H Newton) and daughter-in-law (E McDonald).

Still searching to be sure of Mary Ann.

Joyce again. I've had a quick look and think Mary and Annie may be two different people because:

1901 Census: Annie age 44
1891 Census: Mary age 28

Can there really be that much different in recording ages in censuses?

I may have found the skeleton my husband never thought he had in his tree (and he thought I was the only one with skeletons).

Thanks everyone. Thomas>James looks right.

James and Annie producing John (we thought John Boald Newton) around 1894 looks like what hubby was searching for.

We know our John B N (known as Jack) married an Ellen Holden b Lancashire and produced a son and a daughter who died in infancy (no idea of time/name) - so James and Annie look like the grandparents.

Hubby's got the gene bug, I'm afraid, so I'll have to fight for my time on the computer!

thomas's marraige
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: NEWTON, Thomas
Registration District: Help East Ward
County: Westmorland
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 10B
Page No: Help 339
MarriageFinder™: Thomas Newton married one of the following people Help





TAYLOR, Mary view record

1841 England Census about Thomas Newton
Name: Thomas Newton
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Newburn
Hundred: Castle (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Castle Ward
Sub-registration district: Stamfordham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 823
Book: 9
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Pattison Newton 30
Isabella Newton 30
Jane Newton 10
Thomas Newton 8
Ann Newton 6
John Newton 4
James Newton 1

Thomas and parents

this is the marraige Barry mentions
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: NEWTON, James
Registration District: Help Tynemouth
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 10B
Page No: Help 335
MarriageFinder™: James Newton married one of the following people Help


DAVY, Mary Ann view record

according to the tree james parents were thomas and mary taylor

According to the GASKELL family tree on Ancestry James Newton married a Mary Ann DAVY who was born in Staffordshire, in Tynemouth Northumberland
The tree states they were married in 1979 but when one clicks onto the BMD provided for reference it states Q3 1883 ref 10b 335
Mary Ann died in 1909 in Northumberland
If the tree is correct it looks to me that Mary Ann used Mary on the 1891 census and her middle name on the 1901 census

Joyce,

you really need to get some of the children's birth certs to confirm Mary/Annie's maiden name. Without that info, anything else is guesswork.

Possible birth for Isabella:

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
Newton Isabella Castle W. 10b 324

Possible birth for Sarah G:

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
Newton Sarah Gair Castle W. 10b 334