Find Ancestors

John,

Why not putAunty's info aside just for now and start with what you know.

i.e. - your parents - their parents etc..........

Let us help you work backwards and then you could bring in 'Aunty's' info to corroborate ??

Dea x

1901 England Census
Emma Wildblood
Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Wildblood
Gender: Female Where born: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Goldenhill Ecclesiastical parish: Goldenhill St John
Town: Limehouse County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Limehouses
Registration district: Wolstanton Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 230
Piece: 2589 Folio: 24 Page Number: 39

William Wildblood 63 labourer at colliery
Emma Wildblood 68
Pattsey Kerrey 56 lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2589; Folio: 24; Page: 39.

1911
WILDBLOOD, Willam Head Married M 73 1838 Old Age Pensions Staffs Talker Hill
WILDBLOOD, Emma Wife Married 26 years F 76 1835 Old Age Pensions Staffs Wolstin
WILDBLOOD, Sarah Alice Dale Daughter Single F 39 1872 Staffs Rookwit
DALE, George Willam Nephew Single M 24 1887 Collier Under Ground Hewer Coal Staffs Silver Dale

RG number: RG14 Piece: 16469 Reference: RG14PN16469 RG78PN1020 RD360 SD2 ED13 SN302

Registration District: Wolstanton Sub District: Tunstall Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Tunstall
Address: Hollywall Lane Tunstall County: Staffordshire

Still together in 1911:

WILDBLOOD, Willam Head Married M 73 1838 Old Age Pensions Staffs Talker Hill
WILDBLOOD, Emma Wife Married 26 years F 76 1835 Old Age Pensions Staffs Wolstin
WILDBLOOD, Sarah Alice Dale Daughter Single F 39 1872 Staffs Rookwit
DALE, George Willam Nephew Single M 24 1887 Collier Under Ground Hewer Coal Staffs Silver Dale

Registration District: Wolstanton
Sub District: Tunstall
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Tunstall

Address: Hollywall Lane Tunstall County: Staffordshire

Well it looks like Emma may have married again.....this is the 1891 census

Name: Rachel Dale
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Emma Wildblood
Gender: Female
Where born: Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Newchapel St James
Town: Wedgwood
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2158
Folio: 47
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wildblood 52
Emma Wildblood 56
Rachel Dale 22
Albert Dale 3
Alice Dale 11/12

Edit

Marriage?

Marriages Jun 1884
Clowes Joseph Wolstanton 6b 195
>>>DALE Emma Wolstanton 6b 195
Moore Agnes Wolstanton 6b 195
>>>WILDBLOOD William Wolstanton 6b 195

John, please don't take offence at this - but never trust family information that has no back up in hard fact. Family stories get embroidered and distorted over time.

The facts that we've provided are easily proven.

I still stand by the information that proves there were two different Emmas.

EDIT: Just seen your post above (we must have crossed). Absolutely no apologies needed - just hope we have straightened the record. But, if you can winkle more info out of Aunty then do come back on here and share it and we'll dig further (we like a mystery!).

YES I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE WRONG INFORMATION SO SORRY JOHN

As Emma was a widow in 1881 census..... possible death of George Dale?

Deaths Mar 1878
DALE George aged 67 Wolstanton 6b 78

I HAVE ONE LIVEING AUNT AND SHE KNOWES ALL THE DETAILS BUT SHE WILL NOT TELL ME SOME SORT OF FAMILY SECRET

If Rachel Dale is your ancestor born 1869 then there is no way your Emma married those other two men - look at how the dates fit together.

According to your opening post, George Dale was her first husband and would have been dead by 1857 so Rachel wouldn't have been born 12 years later called Dale if her mother had had two changes of surname in that time.

If you are adamant that your information is correct then you need to give us your source.

Rachel is with her parents George & Emma in the 1871 census so again your Emma could not have married Samuel Mould and John Stanyer.....see previous page for censuses

John, from the info provided above the father of the Emma who married Samuel Mould and John Stanyer was called William Dale not John Rutledge. It also looks like Emma and George Dale were still together in the 1861 & 1871 census.

farmer,

Firstly, can you please take your caps lock off as it makes your messages very difficult to read?

Now then, you say that one of these husbands died under suspicious circumstances - which one was this?

I may be able to find something in the Newspapers about him?

Dea x

RACHEL DALE 6 FEB 1869 THE 1861 IS RIGHT GEORGE AND EMMA LOOKS LIKE I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE WRONG INFO THIS DEATH IS VERY HARD TO FIND THANKS VERY MUCH TO YOU ALL JOHN

John, you need to carefully read back over what we've posted.

The Emma Rutledge who married George Dale is not the same Emma who married Samuel Mould and John Stanyer. She appears to be a lady who was born Emma Dale to parents William and Ann.

As previously asked, who is your direct ancestor?

EMMA WAS BRN TO JOHN RUTLEDGE AND ELIZABETH SWINGWOD I BELIEVE DATES ARE CORRECT BUT I KNOW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT NO 2 AND3 HUSBANDS I WAS LOOKING TO FIND 2 3 WED DETAILS and possible DEATHS OF ALL HUSBANDS

If 1861 census correct then this could be Emma & George in 1871 census

Name: Emma Dale
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Dale
Gender: Female
Where born: Rookery
Civil parish: Brieryhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Mowcop
Town: Rookery
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 116
Piece: 2843
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dale 61
Emma Dale 36
George Dale 18
Hannah Dale 16
Henry Dale 11
Rachel Dale 2
Sarah Alice Dale 3 Months

Great minds Londonbelle!

That couple are still together in 1871, and Emma is widow Dale in 1881.

JOHN - there definitely seems to be two different Emmas involved.

Which child of which Emma are you directly descended from? We'll then make sure you're on the right lines.

There is this George & Emma Dale in 1861 census? If correct then I don't think your Emma married the other 2 gentlemen

Name: George Dale
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Dale
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Brieryhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Mowcop St Thomas
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 1923
Folio: 97
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dale 51
Emma Dale 29
Elizabeth Dale 13
George Dale 8
Hannah Dale 6
Henry Dale 1
Sarah Warren 15

EDIT

Snap MarieCeleste!

I think this may be Emma Rutledge and George Dale in 1861 - a different couple?

DALE, George Head Married M 51 1810 Grocer Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Emma Wife Married F 29 1832 Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Scholar Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, George Son Unmarried M 8 1853 Scholar Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar Wolstanton Staffordshire
DALE, Henry Son Unmarried M 1 1860 Wolstanton Staffordshire
WARRAN, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 Macclesfield Cheshire

Registration District: Wolstanton
Sub District: 2 Tunstall
Enumeration District: 4
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas Mow Cop
Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
Municipal Borough:

Address: Grocers Shop, Rookery, Brieryhurst County: Staffordshire