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Rose who married John Chamberlain is my 2x Great Nan, thanks to those who have helped, it only hasn't helped Jacqueline but it has helped me, Thanks once again, after looking up the workhouse here is a link with a bit of history to it. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Kensington/


Thanks :-)

Do let us know what the certs say, awaiting with interest :-D

A really big thankyou to everyone for info,i am able to order certs now,what a lovely team of people for your help xx

This certainly looks a lot better than all the "copied" trees, I think we may have cracked it ! At last :-D :-D :-D

Births Dec 1859 (>99%)
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BUSHELL Mary Ann Colchester 4a 225



British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): George

Last name: BUSHNELL

Calculated year of birth: 1819

Parish of birth: Aylesbury

Town of birth: Aylesbury

County of birth: Buckinghamshire

Age at attestation: 20 years

Attestation date: 11 November 1839

Attestation corps:

Attestation soldier number:

Discharge rank: Corporal

Discharge corps: 1st Battn 6th Reg Of Infantry

Discharge soldier number: 1478

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1401 / 79


(just adding these, birth registration on FMP says Bushnell)

Looks like it's coming together folks, good work!.

Chris :)

Just putting this here for ref:

As posted by Lindsey....(just for ref):

1901 census transcription details for: 26, Walmer Street, St Marylebone

RG number: RG13 Piece: 111 Folio: 134 Page: 49

Reg. District: Marylebone Sub District: St Mary
Parish: St Marylebone Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 26, Walmer Street, St Marylebone
County: London

GOODMAN, James Head Married M 42 1859 Road Sweeping
Kensington
London
GOODMAN, Maryan Wife Married F 40 1861 Flower Seller
Colchester Barsacks
Essex
GOODMAN, Rosie Daughter F 9 1892
Kensington
London
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And this will be Mary Ann:(I hope!). I haven't really looked at the image-I'm sure some of those place names are off!!!

1861 census transcription details for: Bulls Head, Aylesbury
RG number: RG09 Piece: 866 Folio: 11 Page: 15

Reg. District: Aylesbury Sub District: 2 Aylesbury
Parish: Aylesbury Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys Aylesbury City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bulls Head, Aylesbury
County: Buckinghamshire

BUSHNELL, George Father Married M 42 1819 Chelsea Out Pensioenr
Aylesbury
Buckinghamshire
BUSHNELL, Mary Mother Married F 42 1819
Clogham
Ireland
BUSHNELL, Edward Son M 11 1850 Scholar
...
Ireland
BUSHNELL, Ellen Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Clogham
Ireland
BUSHNELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Paull
Yorkshire
BUSHNELL, John William Son M 3 1858 Scholar
Colchester
BUSHNELL, Mary Ann Daughter F 1 1860
Colchester

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Lindsey's find matches perfectly:
1911 census transcription details for: Kensington Workhouse, KENSINGTON WORKHOUSE
RG14PN139 RD2 SD1 ED52 SN9999


Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington South
Parish: Kensington Enum. District: 52
Address: Marloes Road Kensington
County: London

GODLEMAN, Mary A Inmate Widow F 49 1862 Essex Colchester


Maureen

sorry to everyone i have got her birth cert,ive got so much paperwork as im also sorting out my fathers side from isle of man.Rose born18 april1891 33 st clements rd,father james godlemun,mother mary ann godlemun nee bushnell,he was general labourer,kensington.xx

This looks like Rose's birth reg. I think you need to get the cert, Jaqueline. But, if you haven't already got it, how do you know the address?:

Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
GODLEMUN Rose Kensington 1a 130

Now on one of the census POB is Colchester barracks

so James dies before 1911
GODLEMAN, Mary A Inmate Widow F 49 1862 Essex Colchester VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
139 Reference:
RG14PN139 RD2 SD1 ED52 SN9999

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington South Enumeration District:
52 Parish:
Kensington

Address:
Marloes Road Kensington


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about James Godleman
Name: James Godleman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 122 (click to see others on page)

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): James

Last name: GODLEMAN

Calculated year of birth: 1862

Parish of birth: Kensington

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 23 years

Attestation date: 25 February 1885

Attestation corps: 3RD BATTALION ROYAL FUSILIERS REGIMENT

Attestation soldier number: 2311

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps: Royal Fusiliers (City Of London Regiment) - 7th Foot

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO96 / 139 / 377

(came across this, dated 25th Feb. 1885, address given at time, 13 Newton Street, Notting Hill Gate, occ. Labourer, unable to sign his name, done as a X)

Chris :)

(might not be him, just adding!)

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Henry Holmes
Name: George Henry Holmes
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Ellen Godleman
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 03 Jun 1900
Parish: St Helen, Kensington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: George Henry Holmes
Spouse Father Name: James Godleman labourer

But -you said:
" i have got my grans birth cert born 33 st clements rd,but when you try to look it up on genes it cant be found.I do remember my mum saying her gran was irish."

I'm lost again.

Maureen

no birth certs only marriage for Rose x

Oh,
Thank you for letting us try to help,anyway.

But on Rose's actual birth certificate...could you tell us everything it says-from soup to nuts.

Sorry! (I must be getting hungry.)

Maureen

james father was a mason,and nellie did go to canada,my sister is much older than me and remembers some of what my mum said,wish id asked my mum about family,Rose died in 1943 in ken x

Darn! Did we forget to ask (again )what was listed as James' occupation on Rose's birth certificate.??
Best,
Maureen

One of those trees has sisters, but no research with one dying in Canada
but there is a Nellie G on another family group.I think only a cert would prove them.

I wonder if Lily P was rescuing fallen women !

How did your sister hear of them ?

me again my sister said james children were Rose 1891, Elizabeth 1884,ellen or Nellie 1878,think there was more but cant think of names x

to all you lovely people,i have found my grans (Rose) marriage cert to John Chamberlain,her father james godleman (dec) a mason,and lillian m palfreyman as witness in 1912 kensington.Thankyou so much i have lots to go on now,think they kept changing how they spelt godleman which is causing trouble,but i dont think they ever left kensington area.xx

So where is their James in 1871???

Oh-probably one of those "witness" things. but Lilian M Palfreyman (nee Jago) is listed as a "rescue worker" in 1911.

Hands up in the air for me!!
Best,
Maureen