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All I know is from his daughter Annie Hughes' marriage certificate when she married Walter Budd in 1879 in Manchester. Edward Hughes is her father and is described as a Labourer. Annie was 21 year old Factory Operative in 1879 . Edward is my great great grandad.

I hope as this is a different family member I am allowed to start a new thread for it?

Thank you.

Hi Joe

For reference is this the couple in 1891?

Name: Annie Budd
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter Budd
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3239
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Budd 30
Annie Budd 30
Emily Budd 8
Albert Budd 1

Hi Joe
If you already have a thread for the family its best to stick with that one otherwise we will duplicating info already found.Have you already asked re Annie??

K, thank you, yes, it's them! :-)

Shirley,

Completely different side of the family, nothing to do with anyone I have ever posted about before, he is on my maternal granny's side, and I think if i start tagging this on the end of everything else it will make it even more confusing for you?? Surely it's better to have a separate family member from a different branch on a separate thread?? :-\

I understand your need for organisation but anyone seeing this tagged on the end of the Samuel Morris thread for example might see it and think " Well, I 've seen that 10 times already and it reached a dead end " ( which it did ).

So in answer to your point, no, this is a different family. Thank you.

who were the witnesses
they might hold a clue

Quoy, one of the witnesses was Martha Evans, the other is completely illegible.

I presume this must be her birth? The certificate would giver you her mother


Births Dec 1856
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Hughes Annie Manchester 8d 108


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HUGHES Annie Ancoats Manchester ANC/78/31

Not sure if you know about this site?

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi


Its free so might be helpful for your Lancashire ancestors

Poss birth by the year from the above census?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Annie Elizabeth Hughes
Name: Annie Elizabeth Hughes
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1860
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 361

1881 England Census
about Annie Budd
Name: Annie Budd
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Walter Budd
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: No 5 Worthington St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Factory Operative

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3994
Folio: 35
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Budd 22
Annie Budd 22
Emma Jane Hughes 17 COUSIN

She married in the same district as that birth I posted

1879
HUGHES Annie BUDD Walter Manchester, Ancoats, St. James the Less Manchester 1/1/126

Not much help Im affraid

1911

PHILLIPS, James Head Married M 27 1884 Labourer Moulder Lancashire Manchester VIEW
PHILLIPS, Emily Wife Married
1 years F 27 1884 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
PHILLIPS, James Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
BUDD, Annie Mother In Law Married
32 years F 52 1859 Card Room Hand Lancashire Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24109 Reference:
RG14PN24109 RG78PN1385 RD466 SD1 ED21 SN156

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Ancoats Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Manchester

Address:
9 Howard Street Ancoats Manchester County:
Lancashire

The theme is defo Ancoats so Id say you need that birth certificate


1901 England Census
about Annie Budd
Name: Annie Budd
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 3740
Folio: 62
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Budd 42
Emily Budd 18
Mary Harney 44
James Harney 9
Mary E Harney 7
Ann Foley 52

Yes I think Ginny is right.

Did Walter remarry?
Name: BUDD, Walter & BIRTWISTLE, Lizzie
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Birtwistle
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 2082

Burial details for Walter and Lizzie
11/03/1941 Walter Budd Southern Cemetery SChurch of England 6253 (gives birth 1856)
26/03/1946 Lizzie Budd Southern Cemetery SChurch of England 6253 (gives birth 1873)
Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)
Budd Walter 82 Manchester 8d 455
Deaths Mar 1946 (>99%)
Budd Lizzie 73 Manchester 8d 351

Mel

I cant find anything worth posting before her marriage regarding the censuses....grrrrr

The cousin? Emma Jane - Mel found in 1871 with father Edward?

1871

Name: Edward Hughes
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 570
Folio: 4
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hughes 40 Horse Keeper
Elizabeth Hughes 38 b Manchester
Edwin Hughes 14
Julia Ann Hughes 12
Alfred Hughes 9
Emma Jane Hughes 7 b New Mills Derbyshire
Pheobe Hughes 4
Joseph Webb 22

Mel

I cant find anything worth posting before her marriage regarding the censuses....grrrrr

This is the best death (if you can say that about death!) for a possible father before the 1861 census


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1860
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
HUGHES Edward 38 Market Street Manchester MST/66/422

???Possible death for Annie
Name: BUDD, Annie
Registration District: Manchester
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 54
Volume No: 8D
Page No: 253

08/04/1915 Annie Budd Philips Park Cemetery DConsecrated 678