Find Ancestors

Hi Helen,

if that is Grace's death then the birth certificate you have would tie in, sadly there is no more info available online about her death. Her death was available on Ancestry.

I'll have a look about and see what turns up.

When was James Frederick Miller born? I'm hoping that there maybe a WW1 service or pension record available and he names the children..... sometimes their DOB are included.


Dee x

Thank you everyone.
Margaret Jane Phillips was born in 1884. I have not looked up Grace May Phillips on the 1911 census or her mother Margaret Phillips, so i would appreciate any help with that. Thank you.

Batmans daughter / Dee - Is that Graces's actual birth date on her death index? How did you find that? I don't supose it says where she was born?

The birth reference that you have given to me above shows that her mothers name was Maud Phillips (as I have got that certificate) Do you think therefore that Maud is Margaret? I will run back home and see what the address is on the birth certificate.....

Thank you all for helping

I would check the address on the birth certificate in 1911 and see who lived there.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phillips Grace M Phillips St.Olave 1d 347



Looks like her birth??



Dee x

????????

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Grace May Tapp Name: Grace May Tapp
Birth Date: 27 Dec 1911
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1983
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Bexley
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 11
Page: 0351

Hi,

Do you know when Grace died? It could give her DOB on her death cert then this would help in finding her birth.

Dee x

Hello Helen - do you have 1911 access? If not, I'll have a look if you could give Margaret Jane's birth year.

Thank you Julie, I had wondered if Thomas Frank Phillips was really her father or not too! I will take your advice about the 1911 census.
Thank you.
Helen

The to be honest i wouldn't go chasing after Thomas as it is probably a made up name

Before ordering that 1908 BC might be worth asking for someone to do a 1911 look up for Grace & or Margaret

Dear Julie,
Yes Margaret Jane Phillips.
Helen

Was Margaret's maiden name Phillips

I would appreciate some more help this time regarding Grace Phillips birth.

Ellen Margaret Miller (born 1914 St Olave, Bermondsey London) my grandmother, had a half sister called GRACE PHILLIPS. Grace married Reginald Tapp in 1943. Her father name was given as Thomas Frank Phillips merchant seaman. Her birth age was given as 31 (1912). I know that Ellen Miller’s mother was Margaret Jane Phillips who married James Frederick Miller in 1914 in Bermondsey. Margaret’s father was George Phillips. I thought that as Grace was definitely a half sister to Ellen then Margaret must be her mother but they had different fathers or Grace was born out of wedlock. Margaret is a spinster on her marriage certificate of 1914. I am trying to find the birth record of Grace. I ordered the certificate:
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
1912
Phillips Grace M Phillips St.Olave
1d 347

But when it came the birth mother was Maud Phillips (no fathers name).But Margaret couldn’t be Maud could she?

I then asked the record office to look for Grace Phillips in Islington in 1912 with Margaret as the mothers forename with the view that this would be the correct birth record:
Phillips Grace Phillips Islington
1b 303

They refunded me £9.25 saying that there was no Grace Phillips with mother Margaret from 1911 to 1913 in Islington.

Now I don’t know what to do. The only birth references that I can find are the ones below but the dates or places are out.

Births Jun 1908
________________________________________
Phillips Grace St Olave
1d 187


Births Mar 1910
PHILLIPS Grace Stone
6b 23


Births Mar 1911
________________________________________
Phillips Grace Merthyr T.
11a 877


Births Jun 1911
________________________________________
Phillips Grace H M Belford
10b 508


Phillips Grace M Ecclesall B.
9c 414


Should I now order the 1908 birth certificate, checking mothers name is Margaret Phillips or should I concentrate on Thomas Frank Phillips her father or both?

Thank you for looking at my request.
Helen