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17 Aug 2011 01:01 |
Wonder if anybody can solve this mystery for me. I need to buy the actual birth cert for Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber Dob 3 Feb 1862 - Wandsworth, London, Surrey, England DoBapt 18 Jun 1862 - Saint Anne Wandsworth Parents Frederick Marsh Hamber & Frances Jane Peacock
I also can't find him on the 1911 Census
I have a copy of the family bible which lists all the DOB & bap of his siblings.
I was looking up his older brother & sister & but they likewise have no birth record entry Eustace Gomes Werge Hamber DOB 5 Mar 1857 Wandsworth, London, Surrey Aldyth Marion Bray Hamber DOB 24 Feb 1860 Wandsworth, London, Surrey & younger brothers Lancelot Cecil Bray Hamber DOB 16 Feb 1864 - Kensington, London Claud Sydney Fardell Hamber DOB 22 Dec 1868 - Kensington, London
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Lindsey*
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17 Aug 2011 01:12 |
The death cert is viewable on a tree on ancestry
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Lindsey*
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17 Aug 2011 01:15 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Lilburne Charles Rowland Hamber Name: Lilburne Charles Rowland Hamber Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1862 Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1862 Father's name: Frederick Marsh Hamber solicitor Mother's name: Frances Jane Sarah Hamber Parish or Poor Law Union: Wandsworth St Anne Borough: Wandsworth
since his father was a solicitor hre would know it was not compulsory to register a birth then
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Lynski
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17 Aug 2011 05:04 |
Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%) Hamber Lilburn Roland C 31 Hastings 2b 14
Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 burial: 09 May 1893 —Herne, Kent, England record title: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 name: Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber gender: Male burial date: 09 May 1893 burial place: Herne, Kent, England indexing project (batch) number: I00357-1 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1836275
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17 Aug 2011 06:05 |
Sorry for not replying sooner I fell asleep.
I have all the other certs & census record (except 1911)about his life
I never thought about him not being register. Just the opposite I presumed that as his father was a solicitor the family would have been regististered.
As most of his siblings travelled overseas what kind of documentation back then would they have used as evidence to prove their age.
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Perchino
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17 Aug 2011 06:42 |
1871 Cesus:
Address Edith Villas Parish Fulham District Kensington, Fulham Administrative County London, Middlesex Householder 1 Name Frederick Hamber Age 40 Estimated Year of Birth 1831 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Birth Place Middlesex Birth County Middlesex Householder 2 Name Frances Hamber Age 38 Estimated Year of Birth 1833 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place County Durham Birth County County Durham Householder 3 Name Frederick Hamber Age 17 Estimated Year of Birth 1854 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Birth Place Surrey Birth County Surrey Householder 4 Name Francis Hamber Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1856 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Surrey Birth County Surrey Householder 5 Name Lilburne Hamber Age 9 Estimated Year of Birth 1862 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Surrey Birth County Surrey Householder 6 Name Lanatol Hamber Age 7 Estimated Year of Birth 1864 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Middlesex Birth County Middlesex Householder 7 Name Claude Hamber Age 2 Estimated Year of Birth 1869 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Middlesex Birth County Middlesex Householder 8 Name Emma Mouton Age 32 Estimated Year of Birth 1839 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Birth Place Germany Birth County Germany Householder 9 Name Elizabeth Tippon Age 63 Estimated Year of Birth 1808 Relationship to Head of Household Visitor Occupation Birth Place Surrey Birth County Surrey
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17 Aug 2011 06:51 |
1861 Census:
Address 65, Marine Parade Parish Brighton District Brighton, Kemp Town Administrative County Sussex Householder 1 Name Thomas Bromley Age 45 Estimated Year of Birth 1816 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Incumbent Of St Mary Leamington Birth Place Stafford Birth County Staffordshire Householder 2 Name Jane Bromley Age 45 Estimated Year of Birth 1816 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Liverpool Birth County Lancashire Householder 3 Name Alfred Bromley Age 10 Estimated Year of Birth 1851 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Wolverhampton Birth County Staffordshire Householder 4 Name Annie Smelt Age 30 Estimated Year of Birth 1831 Relationship to Head of Household Visitor Occupation Birth Place Slindon Birth County Sussex Householder 5 Name Elizabeth Watts Age 23 Estimated Year of Birth 1838 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation House Servant Birth Place Warwick Birth County Warwickshire Householder 6 Name Frederick Hamber Age 30 Estimated Year of Birth 1831 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Solicitor Birth Place Islington Birth County Middlesex Householder 7 Name Frances Hamber Age 28 Estimated Year of Birth 1833 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Gateshead Birth County Durham
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Lynski
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17 Aug 2011 10:09 |
You ask what evidence they would use to prove their age.
I have read replies from other helpers on other threads advising that back then age was not as important as it is now.
A lot of people couldn't read or write and they just guessed their ages - you only have to look at some census records to see that - ages can be out by 5 years.
One example of mine is my great grandmother - she married in 1901. He was 26, she was 29.
10 years later in the 1911 census he was 34 and she was 44!
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Perchino
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18 Aug 2011 06:50 |
This appears to be the marriage:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hamber Frederick Marsh Kensington 1a 6
Where did you find the places of birth? Looks as though the children were not with them on the day of the 1861 Census. Were the parents on holiday?
This could be a child of theirs: Name Francis Arthur Werge Hamber Year of Registration 1855 Quarter of Registration Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District Wandsworth Registration County London Mother's maiden name Volume Number 1D Volume Page 391
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Perchino
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18 Aug 2011 07:25 |
Children on 1861 Census:
Address 6, North Street Parish Wandsworth District Wandsworth, Wandsworth Administrative County London, Surrey Householder 1 Name William Brown Age 42 Estimated Year of Birth 1819 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Rector Of Little... Birth Place Cambridge Birth County Householder 2 Name Frances Brown Age 45 Estimated Year of Birth 1816 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place ... Birth County Cheshire Householder 3 Name Edward Brown Age 6 Estimated Year of Birth 1855 Relationship to Head of Household Nephew Occupation Scholar Birth Place Cambridge Birth County Householder 4 Name Mortimer Gray Age 11 Estimated Year of Birth 1850 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Scholar Birth Place Putney Birth County Surrey Householder 5 Name Herbert Gray Age 9 Estimated Year of Birth 1852 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Scholar Birth Place Putney Birth County Surrey Householder 6 Name Arthur Gray Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1853 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Scholar Birth Place Putney Birth County Surrey Householder 7 Name Fredrick Hamber Age 7 Estimated Year of Birth 1854 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Scholar Birth Place Wandsworth Birth County Surrey Householder 8 Name Francis Hamber Age 5 Estimated Year of Birth 1856 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Scholar Birth Place Wandsworth Birth County Surrey Householder 9 Name Eustace Hamber Age 4 Estimated Year of Birth 1857 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Scholar Birth Place Wandsworth Birth County Surrey Householder 10 Name Aldith Hamber Age 1 Estimated Year of Birth 1860 Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Wandsworth Birth County Surrey Householder 11 Name Sarah Lambert Age 23 Estimated Year of Birth 1838 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Housemaid Birth Place Ware Birth County Hertfordshire Householder 12 Name Sarah White Age 25 Estimated Year of Birth 1836 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Housemaid Birth Place Pelham Birth County Hertfordshire Householder 13 Name Emma Moreton Age 23 Estimated Year of Birth 1838 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Nurse Birth Place Hamburgh Birth County Householder 14 Name Marie Westphalen Age 25 Estimated Year of Birth 1836 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Housemaid Birth Place Hanover Stoke Birth County
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Perchino
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18 Aug 2011 21:29 |
Have you seen this site re Saint Anne Church and school records?
SAINT ANNE, WANDSWORTH: SAINT ANNE'S CRESCENT, WANDSWORTH It was therefore not until July 1850, when the Revd Dr Pemberton of All Saints resigned, that Saint Anne's Wandsworth became a separate parish. ...
www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=15396&ins... - Similar
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Perchino
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18 Aug 2011 21:59 |
London Gazette Lilburn as a Financial Agent in 1890:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/all=Hamber/start=31
Date: 15 July 1890 Issue number: 26070 Page number: 3949 Score: 87.61% ,- with Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber, as Hamber...)
Lancelot in the Army: Issue 29026 page 69
Subsequently resigned his Commission February 1915 on account of illhealth.
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Aug 2011 08:38 |
How odd!... A Birth notice in Daily News (London) Newspaper dated 7th February 1862...
Hamber. February 3rd at Wandsworth, the wife of F.M. Hamber Esq. of a daughter.
Chris :)
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Aug 2011 09:01 |
Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hamber Lilburn Douglas 0 Wandsworth 1d 402 Hamber Lilburn Roland C 31 Hastings 2b 14
(sadly his son died too, 25th June, aged 12wks)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1232629
(above link to join Lancs. Library, for access to Newspapers. Free!)
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CupCakes
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19 Aug 2011 10:25 |
Sorry for not getting back to you all sooner - summer hols and grandchildren - have to do my bit 3 days a week.
Thank you all for your help. Most of the Census info I have. The link to the London Gazette I've now added it to my favourites
Is there a link for Old Newspaper Birth notices. I've been trying to find one. So many people refer to it but I've never been able to find any.
Chris - yes I know his legal son for Leila died but not his illegitimate sons. I'm a direct decendant. He was my greatgrandfather.The London baptism records proved it and they also proved the stories passed down the family. I have a copy of the family bible as I mentioned in my post.
I was trying to follow the trail of where he was living and how he managed to keep 2 households going - sadly after he died ggran was kicked out of the house.
I have been looking also for him and his mother 1911 Census but can't find them
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Aug 2011 10:48 |
Hello Susanne, for old newspapers take a look at the link I posted above...free to join, and well worth doing so, apart from access to The Times, you also have one called 19th Century Newspapers, brilliant!.
Chris :)
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19 Aug 2011 11:24 |
Who are you looking for in 1911, Wallace or Claude? and their mum.
Maryb
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19 Aug 2011 16:00 |
I'm looking for his mother Frances Jane Sarah Hamber 1901
She remarried 1904 Mother Frances Jane Sarah Ernst Browning 1911 Husband William Ernst Browning The actual name is Ernst-Browning but some rcords seems to be just Browning
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Aug 2011 16:05 |
Hello Susanne, the Death and Burial for Lilburn in 1893 is posted earlier above by Lynski...
Chris :)
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Perchino
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19 Aug 2011 18:06 |
Presumably you have already seen these:
George Hamber notes - S85 - Source Information - PhpGedView 2, I12450, Hamber, Lilburn Roland Charles. Father: Hamber, Frederick Marsh. LILBURN ROLAND CHARLES,HAMBER, HAMBER,LILBURN ROLAND CHARLES. 1861/62 (1862) ...
www.webrarian.co.uk/phpGedView/source.php?sid=S85&ged... - Similar
Frederick Edmund Marsh Hamber - I12727 - Individual ... Parents Family (F3905). Father. Frederick Marsh Hamber - 1873. Frederick ...
www.webrarian.co.uk/phpGedView/individual.php?... - Similar
[ More results from www.webrarian.co.uk ] Pedigree of the Family of Corsellis - S74 - Source Information ... 21, F3904, I12450, Hamber, Lilburn Roland Charles. Father: Hamber, Frederick ...
www.webrarian.co.uk/phpGedView/source.php?sid=S74&ged... -
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