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Esther Deane mystery help please

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Snowdrop

Snowdrop Report 19 Aug 2011 13:49

Esther Deane was born circa 1900 in Kensington London, she is in the 1901 census as age 1 her mum is Rose Deane and dad is Ralph Deane brother George age 0 who was my grandad and later has a sister born 1905 Amelia Deane.

The question is I can find no death record and no marriage record for her and no children. Family stories have her married in 1937 and acquired a step son Peter so married a pre married man. She died in Kent sometime but cared for by her sister Amelia, but no mention of a husband by then, although Peter inherited as did Amelia. I have looked at different spellings like Ester

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Aug 2011 14:02

There is this marriage (although out of the area):-

Name: DEANE, Esther
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Cope
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 1718

Name: COPE, John T
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Deane
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 1718

There is also this earlier marriage in the same district for John T. Cope:-

Name: COPE, John Thomas
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 1313

Spouse is either Winifred Flanagan or Margaret Elizabeth Speake.

EDIT - Looks like he married Winifred going by the 1911 census.

Kath. x

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 19 Aug 2011 14:06

There's this marriage to Aubrey H.A. Wraight in 1937:

Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Deane Esther Wraight Southwark 1d 180
Healey Rose A Neville Southwark 1d 180
Neville Charles H Healey Southwark 1d 180
Wraight Aubrey H A Deane Southwark 1d 180

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 14:09

What was Peters surname.

Maryb

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Aug 2011 14:13

Margee

That sounds a better bet for her marriage - however I can't find an earlier marriage for Aubrey.

Kath. x

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 19 Aug 2011 14:14

Nor can I, Kath.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 19 Aug 2011 14:20

?????????

Name: Aubrey A H Wraight
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 690

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 19 Aug 2011 14:28

Snowdrop, you must know more than you're telling us? You say that Peter and Amelia inherited so you must know Peter's surname? Also year of death?

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 14:38

According to info off tree Aubrey married Esther Isabelle deane and they had a few children.
sShe was born to Joseph and Emma in 1909 and died 1999.
So it looks like it was a different Esther.

What was Esther's surname at death??

Maryb.

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 19 Aug 2011 14:46

Name: Esther Deane
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1900
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 86 (click to see others on page)

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 19 Aug 2011 14:48

Name: Esther Deane
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 872

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 19 Aug 2011 14:52

Name: Esther J Deane
Spouse Surname: Apsee
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1937
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 292
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Only marriage coming up around that time in the area
Edit-Not finding a death that fits !!

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 14:54

1911 159 Church st Kensington
Maria dean 32 widow married 16 years born Paddington (I think Rose is smudged before it says Maria)8 kids born 5 died
Hester 11 or 14??born kensington
George 10
May 4 (Amelia.)??

Living in 1room.

There is a Amelia Constance born 21/5/1906 in Fulham she marries William C E Caswell 1928 she died in kent 2003 could she be Esthers sister??

Ralph Deane 1877 died 1909.

A Rose M Deane married 1913 to Mr Ayling,death Rose M Ayling born 1879 died 1961 Stoke Newington??


Maryb.

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 14:56

Esther Julia Apsee born 23/2/1917 died Sussex 1970.

Maryb

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 15:08

Esther Dean married J/A/S Kensington 1a 420 to John A Jukes???

Maryb

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 19 Aug 2011 15:23

Posting in case it helps with family in 1911......

Name: Violet Deane .....b. 11 September 1903
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1903
Father's name: Ralph Deane ........mason's labourer
Mother's name: Rose Deane
Parish or Poor Law Union: Fulham St Peter
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
................Address 5 Kilmaine Road.....................


Sadly died young, I think
Deaths Dec 1903

Deane Violet.. 0 ..Fulham 1a 201

Gwyn

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 15:30

Violet died 1903.

Maryb

Snowdrop

Snowdrop Report 19 Aug 2011 15:51

The issue is I don't know Peters surname at all.
Yes Amelia Caswell is the correct sister.
By the account of a living Aunt , Esther married at age 37 the husband already had a son Peter no one seems to remember her new surname at all.
Other misleading info which may or may not be true is that she liked to be known as Aunt Stella even though this wasn't her name, but Ive checked using that name too.
Apparently she died somewhere near Bilchington in Kent.
I've found two families in the census but are they the same family or different?
in 1901 Rose and Ralph are with George age 0 and Esther age 1 but in 1911 there is the smudged Rose Marie widow record with children Hester George and May who could be sister Amelia b. 1905 ish

Snowdrop

Snowdrop Report 19 Aug 2011 16:03

1911 159 Church st Kensington
Maria dean 32 widow married 16 years born Paddington (I think Rose is smudged before it says Maria)8 kids born 5 died
Hester 11 or 14??born kensington
George 10
May 4 (Amelia.)??

Living in 1room.

There is a Amelia Constance born 21/5/1906 in Fulham she marries William C E Caswell 1928 she died in kent 2003 could she be Esthers sister??

Ralph Deane 1877 died 1909.

I think this is correct but how does this Hester connect to the earlier Esther?
also an aunitie says that her grandad Ralph Deane reportedly died 6 months before my father who was her brother was born which was 1926, so is this the correct Ralph?

Mary

Mary Report 19 Aug 2011 16:03

There is a Birchington on sea in kent is that the same place?

Maryb