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Jan, I think James will have to remain a mystery! Possibly an enumerator error.

Thanks for the thanks, Thelma - it's great when a brick wall comes down even if it is somebody elses!

Well, it was Potty & Choccy really, but thanks! Just goes to show, several heads are better than one.
Did we ever decide who James was?
Jan

I had to nip out and you appear to have solved it!!!!!!!
My friend will be over the moon!
Hope she might buy certificates to prove.
I would like to thank you all especially;

brummiejan and Potty
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Sorry Choccy I missed you in the excitement
WHAT A TEAM!!!!

Sarah Hookey in 1851:

1851 England Census
about Sarah Hookey
Name: Sarah Hookey
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Servant
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 1658
Folio: 573
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Vincent Pappalardo 40 Consul, b Malta
Sarah Hookey 33

and this birth:

Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
Hookey Francis Charles Portsea I 7 170

Beat me to it Choccy!

Off now to prepare for Strictly!

Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Hookey Francis Charles Portsea I 7 170

A possible marriage for George Hopper and Sarah Ann - but after Francis's birth:

Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)
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Hookey Sarah Ann Portsea 2b 491
HOPPER George Portsea 2b 491
Martin Louisa Portsea 2b 491
MOREY Samuel Portsea 2b 491

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!
How did I miss this? Must be the age difference.
.1861 England Census
about Francis C Hopper Name: Francis C Hopper
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Hopper
Mother's Name: Sarah A Hopper
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 640
Folio: 118
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
George Hopper 43
Sarah A Hopper 45
Francis C Hopper 10
Sarah A Hopper 4

Checked the image for the 1873 Till marriage - Rosa shouldn't be there.

Looks like you have found him!

Name: Robert Till
Marriage: Apr 1873 - Havant, Hampshire
WOW IS THIS FRANCIS'S MOTHER?
Sarah Ann Hopper Apr-May-Jun 1873 Havant

1881 England Census
about Sarah A. Till Name: Sarah A. Till
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Till
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England

Just speculation:

1861 England Census

Name: Francis C Hopper
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Hopper
Mother's Name: Sarah A Hopper
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport

George Hopper 43
Sarah A Hopper 45
Francis C Hopper 10
Sarah A Hopper 4

I wonder??

Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
Hopper Sarah Ann Havant 2b 657
Kenward Eliza Havant 2b 657
Till Robert Havant 2b 657
Till Rosa Havant 2b 657
Tribe William Havant 2b 657

Thanks for all your efforts. I have found a Robert Till in the general area,a gardener,he is married twice?
Robert Till
Spouse: Eliza Till
Birth: abt 1809 - Pagham, Sussex, England
Residence: 1851 - Pagham, Sussex, England
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Robert Till
Spouse: Eliza Till
Birth: abt 1811 - Pagham, Sussex, England
Residence: 1861 - Bedhampton, Hampshire, England
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Robert Till
Spouse: Eliza Till
Birth: abt 1807 - Aldwick, Sussex, England
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Robert Till
Spouse: Sarah A. Till
Birth: abt 1809 - Aldwick, Sussex, England
Residence: 1881 - Bedhampton, Hampshire, England

Residence: 1871 - Bedhampton, Bedhampton, Hampshire, England

That was why I queried the 1881 you found Potty, though it's obviously the right Mary and Francis junior. Maybe she wandered off with another Hopper for a bit! Having said that I can't see Francis anywhere but on the 1891 census.
Jan

Yes, Thelma, he is proving very elusive. His father's name on the marriage on Ancestry is a bit of a puzzle too. It is just Robert Till, occupation Gardener, not Robert Till Hopper. I did wonder if his parents weren't married.

I have looked on the 1881 for a Robert Till, Gardener, but can't find one.

I also tried an address search on the 1881 for the address on the marriage (Eleanor Cottage, Clarence Road) but not having any success with that either!

Thanks Potty
A bit more that I did not have.
Just wish I could find him pre marriage.

Francis Henry's baptism was on July 11 1880 at the Parish Church (b June 11 1880, Hackney, father Francis, dairyman, and mother Mary Jane. Address 8 High Sreet. Homerton.

I have checked the 1881 image, and "James" age is given as 28 not 22, which still makes him 9 years younger than "Francis" in the 1891.

I am reasonably happy that I have the right Mary.

Mary I Percival
Birth: abt 1859 - Sheerness, Kent, England
Residence: 1871 - St Anne Limehouse, London, England

Mary J Percival
Birth: abt 1859 - Sheerness, Kent, England
Residence: 1861 - Sheerness, Minster in Sheppey, Kent, England

Name: Mary Jane Percival
Birth: Jan 1859 - Sheppey, Kent

I am doing this for my best friend,we have several hotmatches in common but no blood connection,as yet. She is not convinced that certificates are needed.

You really need to find out Mary's maiden name for certain.
Jan

Familysearch version...


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James HOPPER Head M Male 22 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Railway Engine Cleaner (C T H)
Mary Jane HOPPER Wife M Female 22 Sheerness, Kent, England
Francis Henry HOPPER Son Male 7 m Homerton, Middlesex, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 10 Reeves Road
Census Place London, Middlesex, England

I think the marriage to Mary jane Percival is a good possibility as Francis junior was born in Middlesex. But I suppose only a birth cert of a child will tell you for sure.
I still think it's all very peculiar though, especially with that james Hopper marriage.
jan