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It would have been very unusual I think! Bu 17 not uncommon.
Having said that I can't see a marriage anyway.
Jan

Jan.
I have a marriage not the cert but ve got 1903,got it off Ancestry.

Which one is that Terry?...

Chris :)

The marriage of James Brown to Rainey,but it does not give her maiden name.which is what im lookinh for.

Name: Rainey Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Spouse Name: Walter Charles Cray (Labourer)
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Feb 1903
Parish: St Matthew, Willesden
County: London
Borough: Brent
Father Name: Robert Smith (Engineer)
Spouse Father Name: John Cray (Labourer)

(saw the above, with witnesses James and Maria Hope)

Chris :)

Would this be a coincidence to your Hope family?, lol.

Well well now that looks great Chris,is it James and Maria or could it be Marion if it was this would tie it up.Well done Chris.

What marriage do you mean? Can you put details please?
Jan

Second look, yep, would say Marion...

(address given for him, 87, St. John's Avenue, 93 for her)

Chris :)

Jan you have helped me before on the Hope side of my family they are a nightmare,and I think Chris has solved another puzzle,there is always someway of tying it up,and Chis has I think/Hope done that.

(I couldn't see it on Marriage index, went to London Marriages instead)

Chris :)

edits, just found on FreeBMD

Marriages Mar 1903 (>99%)

Cray Walter Charles Hendon 3a 332
Smith Rainey Hendon 3a 332

Chris your a star,this family of mine has been an utter nightmare,but thanks to people like you and others on here,I would not know what I know today.thank you very much......oh if you get bored doing others just keep adding here.lol.

Hi Terry,

if your family are from Travellers then this maybe Raineys baptism;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Rainey Smith Name: Rainey Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1889
Father's Name: Majer Smith
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth

Siblings;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry Smith Name: Henry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 1879
Father's Name: Major Smith >> hawker
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Acton
Borough: Ealing


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Lucy Smith Name: Louisa Lucy Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 10 May 1891
Father's Name: Major Smith
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Lucy Smith Name: Louisa Lucy Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 10 May 1891
Father's Name: Major Smith >>> hawker
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Henry Smith Name: Henry Smith
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Britannia Dixie
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Jun 1900
Parish: Christ Church, Battersea
County: Surrey
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Major Smith >> hawker, deceased
Spouse Father Name: Edward Dixie

1881 England Census
about Mayor Smith Name: Mayor Smith
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Caravan
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 698
Folio: 153
Page Number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Mayor Smith 21
Lucy Smith 22
Maria Tindal 14
Jesaclise Smith 4
Henry Smith 1


1891 England Census
about Raney Smith Name: Raney Smith
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lee
Ecclesiastical parish: Good Shepherd
Town: Blackheath
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 518
Folio: 70
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Smith 60
Lucy Smith 35
Gentela Smith 13
Henry Smith 11
Nelson Smith 6
Fanny Smith 4
Raney Smith 2
Infant Smith 1 Month

Thank you BD,they were travellers and these might be related,they seem to use the same names in their familys,but I dont think this is the same Rainey,but thank you for taken the time to look,I will check the ones yove sent because they may well tie up with my lot somewhere.

Ok so not your Rainey;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Mobey Name: John Mobey
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Spouse Name: Raney Smith
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 06 Aug 1907
Parish: Christ Church, Fulham
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Alfred Mobey

Her father is deceased and was Major Smith.

As with most travelling families though the names are used over again so this family maybe linked to your Rainey.

Ooppsss, posting and looking when you replied Terry.......... thinking on similar lines though.

:-D

I wonder if this ties up somewhere??

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ada Smith Name: Ada Smith
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Terrance William
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1897
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Wembley
County: London
Borough: Brent
Father Name: Robert Hope >> Engineer
Spouse Father Name: John William

Witnes
ses; Beatrice Hope and Tilly (?) Fletcher

1901 England Census
about Robert Hope Name: Robert Hope
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 1215
Folio: 22
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hope 46 >> engineer
Louisa Hope 44
Albert Hope 22
Mary Hope 21
Beatrice Hope 19
Fanny Hope 19
Leonard Hope 14
Rody Hope 13
Walter Hope 9
Job Hope 6
Jennie Hope 5
Maud Hope 2

Hi BatsDaug,the last two seem to tie up,thanks very much.just need to work out who Rainey was from the list.

Looking at Fanny could be misprint about age if it was 17 and it could be misprint again it could be Ranny[Rainey].