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This could be same one as Chrissiex1871 census. The latin names apparently translate to Joseph and John, Original has witnesses as ?Julian
and Ann Rigby

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Josephus Rigby Name: Josephus Rigby
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1865
Baptism Date: 1 Oct 1865
Parish: St Anthony´s
Father's Name: Joannis
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Frith


Vera

I had been looking at this very marriage :-)

Marriages Dec 1856
? Frith Elizabeth W Derby 8b 793
Orme James W. Derby 8b 793
Owen Sarah W Derby 8b 793
? Rigby John W Derby 8b 793

but had not been able to identify Elizabeth Frith before the marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
RIGBY Joseph STEWARDSON Mary E Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/14/379

we know that part mgnv, that is where Joanie started from, it is the 'known known' ! :-)

Chrissiex - you may know that, but Joannie seems to be under the impression that the m.cert just says parish church when she reads it.

Wow. so much info to go through and maybe and end to the mystery !

Thanks Folks x

Information for the 1871 family. Original has witnesses Robert Rigby and Elizabeth Frith. Address 45 Edinburgh Road

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Cath Rigby Name: Cath Rigby
Birth Date: 26 Mar 1861
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1861
Parish: St Anthony´s
Father's Name: Joannis
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Frith

Vera

you're right mgnv ... as a matter of fact when I finally went to bed last night this came into my head and I thought oops ! ... I know why mgnv posted that ! ... I should have got right back up and fixed my mistake ...

it was very late and my mind was going blank, I know you will forgive me :-)

and Vera has confirmed the Rigby Frith marriage now I think

have had a lovely thank-you PM from Joanie

Another one for the 1871 census. Witnesses Joseph Rigby and Anna Frith.
Address Edinburgh Street.

There is also Maria b 1867, Maria Elizabeth b 1870 and Anna 1871 with same
parents

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Agnes Rigby Name: Agnes Rigby
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1863
Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1863
Parish: St Anthony´s
Father's Name: Joannis Rigby
Mother's Name: Eliz Frith


Vera

look who is about 3 households away from the Rigby farm in 1881

Thomas Frith 57 farmer, born Little Crosby c 1824
Anne Frith 63
Thomas Frith 23
Elizabeth Frith 20
William Ratcliff 23
Thomas Prendergast 21
Robert Miller 23

I would expect that Thomas is a brother of Elizabeth who married John Rigby


the household in 1851 in Little Crosby

Edward Frith 50
Clara Frith 49
Thomas Frith 24
Edward Frith 21
William Frith 18
Joseph Frith 11
Luke Frith 8
Robert Watkinson 16
Richard Day 30
Michael Smith 16
Ann Newton 18


but no, here they are in 1841

Civil parish: Sephton
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Great Crosby

Edward Frith 40
Clara Frith 35
Robert Frith 15
Thomas Frith 15
Edward Frith 9
William Frith 8
Mary Frith 4
Joseph Frith 2

hmm, no Elizabeth .......


aha, also in Sephton

Joseph Fieth 35
Cathrine Fieth 35
Mary Fieth 9
Cathrine Fieth 7
** Betsy Fieth 5
Ann Fieth 4
Eliza Fieth 3

an Ancestry user has corrected Joseph's name to Frith and says

'William Frith, Joseph's brother listed next door. Dates match for both. Transcription error seems likely'

someone to contact !

and you should correct Rigley that Glitter Baby found to Rigby in 1891 ... other people looking for the family will be able to find them and contact you :-)


here is Elizabeth Frith with her family in 1851

Name: Betsy Frith
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Frith
Mother's Name: Cathrine Frith
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Little Crosby, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Little Crosby

Joseph Frith 41 farmer of 40 acres born Little Crosby
Cathrine Frith 43 born West Derby
Mary Frith 18
Cathrine Frith 16
* Betsy Frith 15
Eliza Frith 13
William Frith 60
John Holcroft 25
George Pitchforth 16
John Fazackerby 12

Chrissiex - no worries.

Incidentally, if you ever get tired of "the 'Walking Madonna' at Salisbury Cathedral", you could always try "deep sea diver Walker at Winchester Cathedral" - he spent several years diving in Salisbury Plain - see:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/articles/2008/06/05/cathedral_diver_feature.shtml

Thank you Vera and Chrissie I came back yesterday and found the addered info and have spent a few hrs today going through it, when i get it sorted i will let you know the outcome .....ur stars xxxx