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what are the details of Elizabeth Howell on the marriage cert i.e father etc

Certificate shows Elizabeth's father as Thomas Howell - Labourer.

"Have you tried checking the images for all William Young to see if the age is transcribed correctly. When the enumerator draws those black lines through ages the transcribed often cant read it properly."

I have - and I've also tried surnames only, forenames only, initials, etc. If it was just William missing then fair enough but his wife is missing, as are his kids too !

Not sure if this has been posted;

1901 England Census
about Beatrice Howell Name: Beatrice Howell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Howell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Howell
Gender: Female
Where born: B'ham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Piece: 2708
Folio: 122
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
William Howell 40
Elizabeth Howell 38
Ellen Howell 15
William Howell 13
Harry Howell 11
Florence Howell 9
Frederick Howell 7
>>>>>>>>Arthur Howell 4
Beatrice Howell 2
Alfred Howell 3 Months


The ages for father William is about right and the same for son Arthur.

Is this Elizabeth in 1871? Father's occupation is given as a labourer

Person: HOWELL, Elizabeth
Address: Asylum Road, Birmingham


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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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HOWELL, Thomas Head M 44 1827 Gloucestershire VIEW
HOWELL, Emma Wife F 41 1830 Cambridgeshire VIEW
HOWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1862 Warwickshire VIEW
HOWELL, Amey Daughter F 4 1867 Warwickshire VIEW
HOWELL, Alfred Son M 3 1868 Warwickshire VIEW
BULLOCK, Elizabeth Boarder F 27 1844 Warwickshire VIEW
BULLOCK, Henry Boarder M 2 1869 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3123 Folio:
131 Page:
3

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
32 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Asylum Road, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



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Well I was hoping that maybe they were staying with Grandma Emma but no - and I suspect you will have investigated that anyway. For whatever reason, they really did not want to be found!

BatMansDaughter ...... I think you might have something there !

A living relative is adamant that the oldest child was a "Nellie" and I'm fairly certain that "Nellie" can be derived from Ellen !

Will look into that one further this evening but thans !

Okay - I'm liking the "Howell" family on the 1901 census detailed above.

Elizabeth's name is right - albeit her maiden name, her YOB is right, there are four near perfect matches on kids names and YOBs, there is the missing "Nellie" who living relatives swear was the first born and the location is right and within the broad area they subsequently lived at.

What I don't get is the named occupation of William (Coal Dealer & Greengrocer) which doesn't seem to fit with subsequent unskilled trades (ie: "Sawyer") and why they have used the name Howell ...... what might they have been up to ?

Is this William a different William to the one on the 1911 census and on the 1883 marriage certificate ?

Seems BMD has come up with the same family in 1901 that I posted. Paul, you could get the birth cert for the Alfred Young below and check the address with the 1901 census:

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Young Alfred Birmingham 6d 183

The 1901 census was taken on 31st March, so this birth would tie in with Alfred being 3 months.

Nellie is definitely a variation of Ellen and, less frequently Eleanor. I can't seem to find the Howells of 1901 in 1891 (at least not on FMP). Will try Ancestry.

Finding them in 1891 would be great but I can't find them either !!!

I am wondering if William & Elizabeth Howell are related to Elizabeth Young (nee Howell) and were "fostering" the children...