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Sorry, just re read..Dec

Do you know what quarter this was?

Get the birth certificate for more information, if you believe it is the correct family?
Births Dec 1901
McCARTHY Mary Catherine W. Derby 8b 321

This could be them. As I think I remember one of Ellens sisters living in Old Swan and the other in Cantrill Farm. What should I search for now?

*railway
1911
MCCARTHY, James Head Married M 36 1875 Shunter- Railway Garston Lpool Lanc
MCCARTHY, Mary Wife Married F 35 1876 Dubllin Ireland Resident married 12 years
MCCARTHY, Mary Catharine Daughter F 10 1901 L Pool Lanc
MCCARTHY, Elizabeth Catharine Daughter F 8 1903 Liverpool Lancs
MCCARTHY, Thomas Catharine Son M 4 1907 Liverpool Lancs
MCCARTHY, Rose Ann Catharine Daughter F 1 1910 Liverpool Lancs

RG number: RG14 Piece: 22644 Reference: RG14PN22644 RG78PN1327 RD455 SD10 ED34 SN272
Registration District: West Derby Sub District: West Derby Eastern Enumeration District: 34 Parish: West Derby
Address: 46 Oceanic Road Old Swan Liverpool County: Lancashire

Hope it is not this James, only one showing as railway* in Liverpool........
xxx MCCARTHY, James Head Single M 63 1848 Railway Clerk Lancashire Liverpool
MCCARTHY, Sarah Sister Single F 66 1845 Wexford Gorey Resident
xxx MCCARTHY, Ellen Sister Single F 75 1836 Wexford Gorey Resident

RG number: RG14 Piece: 22223 Reference: RG14PN22223 RG78PN1314 RD454 SD1 ED12 SN60
Registration District: Toxteth Park Sub District: Toxteth Park North West Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Toxteth Park
Address: 153 Northumberland Street Toxteth Park Liverpool County: Lancashire

It looks like I already had Ellen and John's marriage cert. Ellen's father wasn't William it was James McCarthy and he was a railwayman. So that changes a few things..

Leamlara, is farming area near just outside Carrigtowill,Co Cork.You could write to the priest in Carrigtowill for info regarding baptismal / marriage certs for the, McCarthy's in Leamlara.
Gortroe is just outside Youghal.
both area's are in East Cork

Thank you all, I have applied for the original marriage cert through GRO and will go from there

Irish 1901 and 1911 census information from:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/index.html

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

You can buy the cert using the GRO ref quoted from www.gro.gov.uk Cost £9.25 each

You register free and then follow the ordering pages Remember to tick the box on the first page where it asks if the GRO ref is known .then all you need is one of their names and the GRO ref filled in the appropriate boxes. .

Thats sounds very similar, where is that info from?
And where would I find a copy of Ellen and John's actual 1936 marriage cert? I had a look on BDM Image search and found
Name: Spouse: District: Vol: Page:
Crawshaw
- John j McCarthy Birkenhead 8a 1120

Same family in 1901
Residents of a house 7 in Monanig (Gortroe, Cork)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Troy James 46 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married -
Troy Hannah 49 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Cork Housekeeper Read and write Irish and English Married -
Troy Patrick 17 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Son Read and write - Not Married -
Troy Ellie 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmers Daughter Read and write - Not Married -
Troy John 12 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmers Son Read and write - Not Married -
Troy Katie 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmers Daughter Read and write -

Troy family in Ireland in 1911?
Residents of a house 9 in Monananig (Gortroe, Cork)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Troy James 60 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - - - -
Troy Hanna 61 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Cork - Read and write Irish and English Married - 29 5 5
Troy Patrick 27 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Son Read and write - Single - - - -
Troy Ellie 24 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Cork - Read and write - Single - - - -
Troy John 22 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Son Read and write - Single - - - -
Troy Katie 20 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Cork - Read and write - Single - - - -
Cott James 17 Male Nephew Roman Catholic

I will find out more about the census - only have the info written down.
Ellen Troy was according to the latter day saints info the eldest of 5 children, next was
Catherine (Kate) B. 1890 D. 14the April 1978
Patrick, B.1884 D. 25 Aug 1971,
John James, B. 7 Oct 1888 D. 13 Feb 1969
Michael Troy, B.26 Dec 1884 D. 14 May 1955

I will look to obtain Ellen Veronica's Marriage cert, thank you

Similarly, I have been looking for the 1911 and cannot see it.

I can't see the 1911 census 'info' to which you refer....please give full details

I was guessing that she was born in Ireland, then moved to England when she was fairly young. However, if you have her parents here in 1911, she should be registered over here, just no birth showing. Unless, for some reason, her Mother went back to Ireland to give birth.
Do you know whether the siblings were older or younger than her?
Have you looked on genes to see if anyone has any of her ancestors in their tree?

You really must obtain Ellen's 1936 marriage cert

It will name her father, and state his occupation

As has already been stated, there is NO recorded birth for her in England or Wales

The 'info' found by your friend appears to be totally unsubstantiated.................the LDS website is not 100% accurate.

Hi Patchem

A friend of mine found her mothers maiden name out through the Church of the Latter day saints website. It had the information about Ellen Troys whole family. And a bit through the census (liverpool 1911) which had a William McCarthy born 1882 married to Ellen McCarthy born 1886.
This same document definitely has them from Ireland, Leamlara, Cork.

I don't know what her father's profession was, nor do I have dates for their deaths. I do have Ellen Troys parents as Hannah Connoll born abt 1854 in Cork, and James Troy born abt 1852 in Cork, Died 6 Jan 1923.

I am ultimately am truing to find any living relatives, and especially any photos as I don't know what my mum looked like.

Thanks

Jackie