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Yep found them on London rd in manchester cencus gave roberts birth place in wales

Sorry, do not understand.
You said you have them in censuses back to 1841.
Have you found Robert and Martha in 1841?

Anyway, if you get John Robert's birth certificate it will have his Mother's maiden name.

As she(Martha) is 10 years older than Robert I wonder if she has been married before, so the marriage for a Martha that I posted might not look like the correct one, but could still be correct.
The marriage certificate will have his Father;'s name on it, which is what you asked for.

Thxs Ann Im finding it very hard

afraid I'm not doing too well with this!!! :-)

no I dont know, saying about place of birth thx

Are you saying they were already married by 1841 (sorry, cannot yet see them)?

Thxs ANN yep it is a big house

YEP I GOT THAT SAME TOUGHT AS YOU THXS

Is this them in 1851 - could Derbyshire be Denbighshire??
1851 England Census
Robert Mitchell
Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Mitchell
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1hh Household schedule number: 178 Piece: 2228 Folio: 218 Page Number: 42

Robert Mitchell 29 wire pointer
Martha Mitchell 30

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2228; Folio: 218; Page: 42; GSU roll: .

THXS PATCHEM, ANN DID YOU SEE MY MESS ON CHILDRENS NAMES

big house!!!!

1881

John ROCCA Head M Male 51 Italy Organ Tuner
Louisa ROCCA Wife M Female 45 Italy
Joseph ROCCA Son U Male 16 Manchester, Lancashire, England Tinsmith
Amelia ROCCA Daur Female 12 Manchester, Lancashire, England Pupil Teacher
Ambrose ROCCA Son Male 12 Manchester, Lancashire, England Pupil Scholar
Louisa ROCCA Daur Female 8 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice ROCCA Daur Female 6 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar
Virginia ROCCA Daur Female 2 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas LUPTON Boarder W Male 66 Burnley, Lancashire, England Iron Founder
Thomas JONES Boarder W Male 63 Holywell, Flint, Wales Slater
Thomas MOODY Boarder U Male 32 Nova Scotia Yarmouth Seaman
Thomas BATEMAN Boarder U Male 31 Manchester, Lancashire, England Shoeing Smith
Thomas MITCHELL Boarder U Male 29 Manchester, Lancashire, England Builders Lab
Thomas BOOTH Boarder U Male 25 Stalybridge, Lancashire, England Builders Lab
William GREAVES Boarder U Male 23 Stockport, Cheshire, England Tailor
James TAILOR Boarder M Male 36 Oldham, Lancashire, England Builders Lab
James WALSH Boarder M Male 50 Ireland Tailor
John DOBSON Boarder U Male 25 Hull, York, England Builders Lab
Samuel WOOD Boarder U Male 26 Manchester, Lancashire, England Builders Lab
John MC LURE Boarder U Male 27 Ireland Tailor
(Continued)

This could be John R's birth:
Births Jun 1858
Mitchell John Robert Manchester 8d 131
Certificate will give parents' names.
The marriage in 1850 looks more likely as children born 1851 to 1858

IN 1841 THEY WER IN MANCHESTER LONDON RD ANN

do you have the names of any children?

Is this them in 1861?
1861 England Census
Robert Mitchell
Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Mitchell
Gender: Male Where born: Wales
Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Household schedule number: 87 Piece: 2936 Folio: 97 Page Number: 18

Robert Mitchell 37
Martha Mitchell 40
Thos Mitchell 9
Mary Ann Mitchell 7
Marth Mitchell 4
Joh R Mitchell 2

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2936; Folio: 97; Page: 18; GSU roll: 543052.

no just names of children thomas1852 ann 54 martha 56 and 1858 thxs

Possible marriage?
Marriages Dec 1839
Dearden Josiah Williams Manchester 20 598
Hope Matthew Manchester 20 598
KNOWLES Mary Manchester 20 598
xxx Levitt Martha Manchester 20 598
xxx Mitchell Robert Manchester 20 598
Nuttal Mary Manchester 20 598
TAUBMAN John Manchester 20 598
WILCOCK Mary Pearson Manchester 20 598
marriage certificate will have Fathers' names on it.

Have you got any children's birth certificates for Martha's maiden name?

Added:
Or this:
Marriages Mar 1850
Bridge Emma Manchester 20 439
Briggs Mary Manchester 20 439
Brown Josiah Manchester 20 439
Gardner John Manchester 20 439
xxx Goodall Martha Manchester 20 439
Goodier Ann Manchester 20 439
Leigh Ann Manchester 20 439
xxx Mitchell Robert Manchester 20 439
Richardson John Manchester 20 439

What births have you got for children?

THANKYOU ANN

where were they in 1841?