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Hannah Mcmahon used an alias of Hannah Mcperson when she married Joseph Grindey in stoke in 1858. In 1841 she is with the family of bernard and bridget mcmahon in broad eye stafford, but it gives no relationship to the head of the family Bernard McMahon. She appears to be again with bernard on the 1861 census this time as visitor with two youngchildren sarah ann and John grindey ( who is my great grandfather). It appears that she was born in Newry Joseph her husband was not with her on the 1861 census and I have not been able to find him on the 1861 census (he was born in meerbrook near leek staffordshire in 1835) joseph appears again on the 1871 census as a widower with four children.
1841 she is listed as11,1861 as 27 perhaps the first is a transcription error . Is she related to bernard- a daughter or is it a coincidence that she is with bernard on 2 censuses
Can anyone give me ideas as to how I find out more about Hannah?
Is there anyone more able than me who can manage to find Joseph on the 1861 census

Sorry to ask the obvious, but are you sure it is the same person?

Just to place her:

1841 England Census

Name: Hannah McMahon
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St Mary and St Chad
Hundred: South Pirehill

Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford

Bernard McMahon 45
Bridgett McMahon 45
James McMahon 15
Bridgett McMahon 15
Peter McMahon 13
Hannah McMahon 11

1871 is Joseph shown as GUNDEY

Hello Susan, can you give us some years of birth for the children?

Where were they in 1861?

How do you know McPherson was an alias?

1861 ?

Name: Hannah Grindy
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Newry, Ireland

Civil parish: Stafford St Chad
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad
Town: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 1906
Folio: 35
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Mitnahon 65
James Mitnahon 34
James Mitnahon 2
Johanna Mitnahon 28
Ellen Mitnahon 7
Morgan Mitnahon 8
Hannah Grindy 27
Sarah Grindy 1
John Grindy 5 MO

Class: RG9; Piece: 1906; Folio: 35; Page: 20; GSU roll: 542885

Have you got the marriage cert?
Jan

I'd be inclined to get this death certificate:

Deaths Mar 1866
GRINDEY Hannah 32 Leek 6b 207

Shame there's a bride missing from this:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1858
Grindey Joseph Stoke on T 6b 238
McPerson Hannah Stoke on T 6b 238
Wild Thomas Stoke on T. 6b 238

name: Joseph Grindey
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 8
birthplace: Staffordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Leek
sub-district: Leek
civil parish: Leek
county: Staffordshire

I haven't got the marriage cert, but as the marriage cert will give her name as Mc person how can we know that any other info given is correct. There is a huistory of anti catholic sentiment in the area that they married and it seems that she came from a catholic background. My grandfather ( her grandson knew that his grandmothers maiden name had been mc Mann but her believed her to have been scottish protestant. Mcmahon is often pronounced as Mc mann.
the staffsbmd gives
GRINDEY Joseph MCPERSON Hannah Stoke, St Peter Stoke-On-Trent 31/13/016
if bernard in 1841 was illiterate when he said seven for the age of hannah it might have been heard as 11 so written as that.
also strangely my grandfather was friendly with a lady who had the same grandmother as he did ( he never said cousin) her name was mcmann

children were sarah ann 1858 longton ,john william1860hanley, emily 1863 stourbridge james Bernard 1865 stafford
in 1871 there were living in Longton as grindey or grindy not grundy

note her youngest son had the second name bernard which hinted to me that bernard mcmahon could be hannahs father

just relooked at the 1871 census joseph is with his brother in law edwin finney ,his sister ellen and her family with his four children he is a furnace stock taker and birthplace described as leekfrith.
the death cert detailed longor 1866 seems to be of the longor grindey branch although the age could match.
I wonder if he really was a widow or if the family just broke up

Ok I took out the posting asking only about bernard mcmahon and the rest of the family, but still am puzzled as to where I can find more info about them
bernard came from newry as did bridget .they were in stafford by 1841. there seem not to be too many mcmahons in staffordshire at that time.øBut does anyone have any idea where I can find information the newry end. Ie bridgets maiden name ,when they amrried.How many children they had in total.what happened to their children peter and bridget.I know what ahppened with james
thanks sue

There is a private member's tree on Ancestry which has a picture of the marriage cert of a Hannah McPerson to a Joseph. It might be worth contacting the owner to see what other info they have.

Thanks Potty
How would do that? I'm not a mmember of ancestory .I had a few trial five years ago, before I really knew much about family trees. I have not credit card or debit card. could you let me know how I could contact them
thanks
There is a website which details the irish diaspora in stafford and they have the family on that saying that they arrived in the 1830's. James' ,Hannahs older brother married a johanna shine, and I have only in the last few days identified the mary Mcmahon b 1901 that I had been looking for, which makes me pretty certain that hannah mcmahon was hannah mcperson,but her maiden name believed to be mcMann because it was mainly said and not written down. Hannahs youngest son was James Bernard.and bernard had not appeared in the family in any other branch until then.
thanks sue
only now getting used to this posting system. hope I can be of help to others too

Susan,

If you PM me your email address I will pass it on to the tree owner and ask him/her to contact you.

I am sure that yesterday the search results showed that there was a picture of a marriage cert, but today that is not showing.

I have tried searching for Joseph in the private family trees and the same tree has a Joseph Grindey b 1836 Staffordshire, and a Sarah Ann b1859 Longton, so looks as if it is the correct family.

http://www.staff.ljmu.ac.uk/socjhers/stafford/families/familyhistory6.html#McMahon

Must be your family.

"McMahon
There were two unrelated McMahon families in 19th century Stafford. The first arrivals were Bernard and Bridget McMahon from Co. Down who were already there in the 1830s. They had at least four children, Bridget, James, Peter and Hannah, but only James, who married Susanna Shyne in 1853, remained in the town. They had five children, but all seem to have left Stafford in the 1870s and they probably emigrated."

There's a contact link for asking for further info about any of the families listed.

Beverley

Thanks beverley.
I posted a link to this site on the genealogy chat page yesterday.I have contacted "the for further info" and had a message to say he will get back to me.It seems still pretty certain to me that the hannah that married Joseph grindey was hannah mcmahon daughter of Bernard and bridget.There has been no evidence found to suggest otherwise.My info on the mcmahon at present is more up to date than the website for stafford. for example James who married susanna (Johanna) had 6 possibly seven children When Johanna(susanna) died after the birth of their youngest child johanna,James moved to Fenton where his niece was living. This has been a tough nut to crack though am not there yet,after 4years trying.
thanks again sue

Susan, do you want me to pass on your details to the treeowner on Ancestry?

Am logging off now, but will be back on tomorrow.