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Well,I'm convinced. His father seems to have anglicised Rudolph to Ralph. So Frank Ralph Hubert Karrer seems good to me.

Here's the parent's marriage:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Rudolf Karren
Name: Rudolf Karren (sic) Occ:Publisher
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Conde
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1888
Parish: All Saints, Haggerston
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Rudolf Karren Occ:Publisher
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Conde Occ:Merchant

Maureen

He may not have known his middle names and just thought it was the same as his fathers?

I know my gran did'nt know hers until she was about 50 and needed a passport so applied for her birth cert, to find she was'nt who she thought

jax

Lots of Germans who came to England at that time changed their names to sound something more "English".....but that would certainly be a reason to do so.

Edit: Anglicised!!! :-D

Oh wow, that puts the cat among the pigeons! I just don't know, it looks good, but why change his first names?
I will certainly keep this in mind but not convinced.
Thanks
Chris

Umm

German father and fighting for the British...maybe reason for the name change?

1891 England Census
about Ralph Karrer
Name: Ralph Karrer
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mariam Karrer
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalston St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 194
Folio: 57
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Karrer 28
Mariam Karrer 23
Frank Karrer 2
Kathrine Dunder 27 (Servant)

LOL!! Thanks,PH!!

I think it works for me.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frank Rudolf Hubert Karrer
Name: Frank Rudolf Hubert Karrer
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1889
Father's Name: Rudolf Karrer
Mother's Name: Miriam Karrer
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St Peter
Borough: Hackney

Maureen

Oh i say!!!

Well done Maureen!!

Just for the heck of it too!!!

1911 census - household transcription
Person: KARRER, Ralph
Address: 31 Angles Road Streatham SW


KARRER, Ralph Head Married M 48 1863 Manager Christmas Cards Dep Germany Resident VIEW
KARRER, Miriam Wife Married
23 years F 43 1868 London Shoreditch VIEW
KARRER, Percy Son Single M 15 1896 Jewellery Assistant London Lambeth VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2321 Reference:
RG14PN2321 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED36 SN108

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Streatham Enumeration District:
36 Parish:
Wandsworth Borough

Address:
31 Angles Road Streatham SW County:
London

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Frank Rudolf H Karrer
Name: Frank Rudolf H Karrer
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1889
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 512

Maureen

Just for the heck of it:
?????????
1901 England Census about Ralph Karrer
Name: Ralph Karrer
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mirian Karrer
Gender: Male
Where born: Foreign Subject, Germany
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Occupation:Traveller
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 217
Folio: 116
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Karrer 38
Mirian Karrer 33
Frank Karrer 12
Percy Karrer 5
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 217; Folio: 116; Page: 7.

Maureen

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth M Parker
Name: Elizabeth M Parker
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: South Pool; Kingsbridge, Devon, England

Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:Domestic (boots)

Condition as to marriage:Single

Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 543
Folio: 118
Page Number: 17

Thank you all so much for your help. It really has been a great help. I just need to find the Farrers now. I really thought with all his names it would be so easy to find his birth cert.
Thanks again
Chris

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Jessie Cooper
Name: Elizabeth Jessie Cooper
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 288

Probably used her second name as mother was also Elizabeth.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Matilda Parker
Name: Elizabeth Matilda Parker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 197


Elizabeth is a Servant in the 1891 and 1881 census...in South Pool, Kingsbridge Devon.


Possibly her family...


1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Parker
Name: Elizabeth Parker
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Parker
Mother's Name: Hariett Parker
Gender: Female
Where born: South Pool, Devon, England
Civil parish: South Pool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cyrus
Town: South Pool
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Sub-registration district: Stokenham
Household Members:
Name Age
William Parker 34.........All born South Pool, Devon.
Hariett Parker 37
Mary A Parker 10
Elizabeth Parker 7
Richd H Parker 5
William C Parker 3
George C Parker 1

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
COOPER Arthur Vincent Croydon 2a 422
Parker Elizabeth Matilda Croydon 2a 422

1911 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Jessie
Address: 40 Gladstone Road Mitcham


COOPER, Arthur Vincent Head Married M 56 1855 Gardeners Laborer Devon Lyme Regis VIEW
COOPER, Jessie Daughter Single F 19 1892 Domestic Servant Parmaid Surrey Mitcham VIEW
COOPER, Elizabeth Wife Married
20 years F 48 1863 Devon Kingsbridge VIEW
COOPER, Richard Arthur Son Single M 16 1895 Coal Merchants Clerk Surrey Mitcham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3437 Reference:
RG14PN3437 RG78PN129 RD39 SD6 ED17 SN291

Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
Mitcham Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Mitcham

Address:
40 Gladstone Road Mitcham County:
Surrey
( 2 children born and living)


Edit: Arthur is age 50 on the image.

As far as i know, Lyme Regis is in Dorset and not Devon.

1901 England Census
about Jessie Eliz Cooper
Name: Jessie Eliz Cooper
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Arthur Cooper
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cooper
Gender: Female
Where born: Mitcham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Mitcham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Mitcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 654
Folio: 133
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Cooper 39 (Gardener)
Elizabeth Cooper 38
Richard A Cooper 6
Jessie Eliz Cooper 9
Edward Jennings 21

1911 Census for Frank

1911 census transcription details for:
No 5 Company Royal Garrison Artillery,
NO 5 COMPANY ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY, TIGNE, MALTA
Military details: Gunner No 5 Company R G A

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN34985 RD641 SD10 ED22 SN9999

Reg. District: Sub District:
Parish: Enum. District: 22

Address: Tigne Malta
County: Overseas military

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FARRER, Frank Hubert Ralph Single ? 23 1888 Surrey London

Witnesses were A Martin and J Keness or Veness