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Hi.. I am trying to trace the whereabouts of a Henry Johns . He states on the 1891 census that he was born in the Channel Islands. This I doubt. In 1891 he was living in Soho London with his wife Jane. ( Henry married Jane Garrard in 1885 in London) They had a son Henry born 1887 Soho.
I can find Little Henry on the 1901 census as living in Bloomsbury, but cannot find his mother Jane.
Henry senior also appears to have dissapeared. What I am hoping for is that Henry senior moved away to Aldershot where he appears on the 1901 census as being born in Soho and as being single. Can anyone clarify any of this. Dud.

Just for a bit more info:

1891 England Census

Name: Henry Johns
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Johns
Mother's Name: Agnes Johns
Gender: Male
Where born: Channel Islands

Civil parish: St Anne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Westminster
County/Island: London

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Henry Johns 33
Jane Johns 33
Henry Johns 4
Agnes Johns 81
Eliza Bates 17

1891 census for reference -

JOHNS, Henry Head Married M 33 1858 Channel Islands
JOHNS, Jane Wife Married F 33 1858 Bromley London
JOHNS, Henry Son M 4 1887 Westminster London
JOHNS, Agnes Mother Widow F 81 1810 Living On Her Means
Truro Cornwall
BATES, Eliza Niece Single F 17 1874 Servant
Channel Islands

Piece: 88 Folio: 51 Page: 10 Registration District: Westminster
Civil Parish: St Anne Soho Municipal Borough: Address:
32, Frith Street, St Anne Soho, Westminster County London

1861 Yes I know side tracked

Name: Henry Johns
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Agnes Johns
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderney, Channel Islands


Civil Parish or Township: St Anne
County/Island: Alderney
Country: Channel Islands


Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image


Registration district: Alderney
Sub-registration district: Alderney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Piece: 4374
Folio: 46
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Johns 50
George Johns 23
Emma Johns 21
Euden Johns 16
Eliza Johns 13
Henry Johns 3

Why do you doubt his birthplace?
Jan

Hi
thanks for rep[lies. The Henry Johns of Aldershot was my Grandfather and I have never been able to trace him beyond 1901. However the details I am now getting are very interesting. On the 1901 census my grandfather says he was born St Anns Soho or was this meant to be St Anns Alderney.
Clutching at straws.. DUD.

I thought there was a previous thread on this family but can not find it

I doubted his birth place simply because I couldnt find it. Dud.

Why not this Agnes?
1851 Channel Islands Census
Agnes Johns
Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George H Johns
Gender: Female Where born: England
Civil Parish or Township: St Anne County/Island: Alderney Country: Channel Islands Registration district: Alderney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 2531 Folio: 533 Page Number: 20 Household schedule number: 72

George H Johns 45
Agnes Johns 40
Gee S Johns 13
Emma Johns 11
Susan Johns 9
Hender Johns 6
Eliza M Johns 3
Thos Mc Donald 29

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2531; Folio: 533; Page: 20; GSU roll: 105981.

Hi Glitter Baby. You are quite right. But all the threads I followed drew a blank.

Why do you think this is the same young Henry ?

Name: Henry Johns
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Johns
Mother's Name: Janet Johns
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, London, England

Civil parish: Bloomsbury St George and St Giles in The Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 269
Piece: 239
Folio: 99
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
George Johns 54
Janet Johns 48
Janet Johns 19
George Johns 15
Henry Johns 14
Albert Johns 9
Joseph Johns 7
James Johns 3

Could you post the 1901 census for the son, as the only one I can see is with different parents?
Thanks

HI Patchem. The only details I have are Henry Johns b.1887 Soho, living in Bloomsbury. Dud.

The Henry Johns with parents Henry & Jane 18791 was born Westminster.

I wonder what this middle name really is!

Marriages Dec 1885
Garard Jane Strand 1b 992 Scan available - click to view
Johns Henry Hudy Strand 1b 992

The census that glitterbaby posted for 1901 appears to show a different unrelated Henry, 1887.
Why should the single Henry in Aldershot be the married Henry from 1891?

Gliiter Baby.

Has Henry become George and Jane become Janet. The details of the son Henry would tie in with the 1891 census. I'm all confused. Dud.

Assuming this is a different family...where are Henry and Jane and little Henry in 1901.???

The Henry in Aldershot in 1901 is a journeyman bootmaker, born 1851.
Which Johns are you definitely related to?
Henry, Jane and little John could all have died or be mistranscribed or emigrated, or remarried etc etc.
Thanks

Added:
If he is your grandfather, who was his son or daughter?

Dud, just for my old brain! You have obviously worked back to Henry born 1887. How have you done this? Do you have his marriage cert for example, or at least know who he married?
Jan

My grandfather was the bootmaker who says on the 1901 and 1911 census he was born in Soho. On the 1911 he says he was married to Ellen. This was not true. One would think that if he was a bootmaker Journeyman in 1901 then he would have had this proffesion in 1891. However I have never been able to find such a person. The daughetr shown on the 1911 census Amelia was my mother. Dud.


Added. It is the St Anns Soho connection that has me going.