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I did see that one on the "free" search that I did, but couldn't think why "ours" might be in Maidstone!


It would be good if someone could look at the actual image though, to definitely rule her out.



sylvia

there is this person in 1911 ( I don't have a subscription either ... she is not living with any other Elsey )

ELSEY ELIZABETH 1833 78 Maidstone Kent

Deaths Jun 1913
Elsey Elizabeth 80 Maidstone 2a 984

on a quick search I do not see an Elizabeth Elsey that age in Kent in 1901

doing wildcard searches for 'living with' in the 1911 that Elizabeth seems to be alone in a household, maybe not likely for our Elizabeth

Same here. Ozi

Hi, Ozi


I haven't ............. I don't have a sub to 1911.




sylvia

Incidentally, mother Sophia's age is wrong on the 1891 Census ................. it is more like 52 on the iamge, meaning she was born ca 1839, and fitting ebtter with the 1881 Census.



sylvia

Yes, chrissiex. I was reading through the thread again and realised nobody had taken up your suggestion.

I agree, Sylvia. I don't think that death is the one.

Has anybody checked 1911 to see if she's still alive then?

Ozi

so it seems that Elizabeth Elsley who died in 1891, was NOT Elizabeth Elsey




sylvia

and this looks like Sophia in 1881 ..... with Elisabeth also present

1881 Census

Name: Sophia Elsley
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John B. Elsley
Mother's Name: Sophia Elsley
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Digby Walk

Occupation: Dressmaker <<<< wrong

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green

John B. Elsley 51 Shoe Maker
Sophia Elsley 44 Dressmaker
Sophia Elsley 17 Blind one eye
Henry W. Elsley 13
Frederick Elsley 9
Joseph Elsley 7
Elizabeth Elsley 49 b.ca 832, Bethnal Green, Sister, Unmarried, Washerwoman
Arthur Elsley 18 Blind one eye
William Elsley 14

Address:- 9 Digby Walk




sylvia

good Ozibird, that's what I meant, searching the censuses to see whether the possibles could be ruled out ...

This may be the Elizabeth from the 1898 death as the age is right. It certainly casts some doubt.

1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Elsley
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 22 Lydia St

Occupation: - washerwoman

Condition as to marriage: - single

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern

Piece: 308
Folio: 65
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Sophia Elsley 32 - Head; widow
Jos Elsley 17
Elizabeth Elsley 59
Wm Elsley 24
Fred Elsley 4

Can't see the other burial.

Jill

The 1898 death:

Elizabeth Elsley
Record Type: Death
Estimated Death Date: 15 Sep 1898
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: London

Admitted to the Stepney Union (workhouse/hospital?) on 12 September.

You can't see the right hand page which would give some sort of cause of death - "Mitral R of ..." but it seems as if it was being used as a hospital at the time.

Jill

Here's another spelling variation.

Marriages Mar 1849
Bates Thomas Shoreditch * 2 339
Ellis John Jones Shoreditch 2 339
Ellsay Caroline Shoreditch 2 339 <<<<<
Freer Fanny Helen Shoreditch 2 339
Savage Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 339
Sells Richard Shoreditch 2 339
Street Eliza Shoreditch 2 339
Street John Shoreditch 2 339

There are 3 or 4 trees on ancestry with the Neal(e)s and Elseys, and good documentation ........ but no-one seems to have Elizabeth's death!




sylvia

Hi Ozi


that's possible ......... I have seen that before!



sylvia

for interest's sake


1891 Census

Name: Elizabeth Elsey
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Elsey
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton
Town: Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney

William Elsey 66 Costermonger
Elizabeth Elsey 64 Blind and Deaf
William Elsey 29 Bricklayer's Labourer
Caroline Elsey 18

Address:- 66 Chapman Road



Note that Elizabeth is on the 1841 Census with mis-transcribed surname of Nealer




sylvia

I thought this could be William snr.

name: William Elcey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 14 Mar 1831
baptism/christening place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 25 Feb 1831
father's name: William Elcey
mother's name: Caroline
indexing project (batch) number: C04080-6


And if so this might be him in 1841 as they are living in Crooked Billet Yard which is off Kingsland Road. Kingsland is where Thomas Elsey is born in 1881 census.

1841 England Census
Name: William Deay [William Elsey]
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Crooked Billet Yard

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard

Piece: 709
Book: 2
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Deay 40 - Labourer
Caroline Deay 14
William Deay 10

I got the impression Thomas was an elderly relative. We don't know if it's his father, maybe an uncle? My thoughts - the males are listed then the females.

Ozi

Here they are in 1871, with Elizabeth's brother living with them ...... and the image says nothing about her being blind and deaf, which is what it says n the 1881.


1871 Census

Name: William Elsey
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elisabeth Elsey
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: South Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney

William Elsey 32 Costermonger
Elisabeth Elsey 29 b.ca 1832, Bethnal Green, Middlesex
William Neale 22 b.ca 1839, Bethnal Green, Brother-in-Law, Brickmaker

Address:- 7 Wharf Road




sylvia

I'm a bit puzzled by the order of the people on that 1881 Census

Who is Thomas Elsey, age 70?

and why are the 2 children Susan and Caroline listed after him?

are they really William and Elizabeth's children, or are they Thomas's?


Looking at the actual census image, I see what William (b.ca 1831) and Thomas are both Vegetable Dealers.




sylvia