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Death?? Edith Jane Wickham born @ 1885 died April 1885 Cuckfield.

Frederick George Wickham born @ 1886 died 12/12/1/1966.

Birth in Cuckfield for Frederick George Oct 1881??

Maryb

Ah, so Mabel isn't actually Edith Jane - though I suspect there is a connection. This really is an enigma!

Aha - a trail at last; Jane wasn't registered in Brighton and Mabel wasn't born in Burgess Hill (Cuckfield):

SPOONER, Jane
Registration District: Help Petworth
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 2B
Page No: Help 271

Name: SPOONER, Mabel Edith
Registration District: Help Petworth
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 2B
Page No: Help 326


SPOONER, Angela Mildred
Registration District: Help Petworth
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 2B
Page No: Help 331

SPOONER, Frederick James H
Registration District: Help Horsham
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 2B
Page No: Help 318

Not entirely convinced about Frederick...

This is 1891. I wonder if Jane and Edith are one and the same. There's another Mabel Spooner of about the same age in Sussex
Mabel E Spooner
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Albert Spooner
Mother's Name: Edith Spooner
Gender: Female
Where born: Loxwood, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Wisborough Green
Ecclesiastical parish: Loxwood
Town: Loxwood
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Petworth
Sub-registration district: Petworth, Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 831
Folio: 41
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Spooner 29
Edith Spooner 28
Mabel E Spooner 6
Frederic G Spooner 5
Emma A Spooner 3
Spooner 1/12
Ann Moore 49


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Albert Spooner married Edith Wickham Dec 1881 Cuckfield RD vol 2b pg 314

This is the young lady who married John W King

1901 census
Mabel E Wickham
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Burgess Hill, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Hampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 122
Folio: 150
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Fisher 38
Caroline E M Fisher 47
Elsie S Reading 16
Edith W Lawrence 22
Emma M Pallant 25
Mabel E Wickham 20


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I found an Albert Spooner of about the right age and with the occupation of carpenter lodging in Reigate, Surrey in 1901. It looks as if he and Edith split up and she reverted to her maiden name and changed other details for good measure. Here are Edith and Albert in 1881:
Albert Spooner
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Petworth, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Clayton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: West Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carpenter

Registration district: Cuckfield
Sub-registration district: Hurstpierpoint
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1066
Folio: 29
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
George Wickham 52
Mary Ann Wickham 50
Edith Wickham 18
Jessie C. Wickham 16
Frederick Wickham 10
Albert Spooner 17

What I can't make out is how the surname Pearson entered the equation. I've sent Malcolm a pm asking for anything else he has about Harry Hewitt (he used to be in Coronation Street! Married to Concepta, father of Lucille...)


:-D

I have PMs from Malcolm ... to simplify it for him I will add the information here ... and I'll space it out to make it easier to follow :-)



Thank you for showing an interest to help.

I can provide you with the following information;-

The marriage certificate is dated 27-07-1906, the marriage was solemnized at St mary magdalene Church, Upper North Street , Brighton.

harry claimed to be 27 years of age and mabel 24 years. His occupation was Hotel Porter and stated a Bachelor.

Mabel was down as a spinster with no profession or occupation.

the residence at the time of the marriage was 8 upper gardener street Brighton and the witnesses were Daniel Donovan and Maria Nugent. St Mary Magdalene was a Catholic church.

Their son William Harry Hewitt born 11-07-1906 (registered on 21-08-1906)shows that Harry Hewitt was a Groom (Livery Stable) onlya month after saying he was a Hotel Porter on the marriage certificate.

he was shown as a Domestic Groom in December 1910 when their second son Frederick John Hewitt was born in Hove on 11-11-1910.

A distant family relative says that they believed that Harry and Mabel were divorced or separated (Catholic?) and that the 2 boys were put into the workhouse in Shoreham.

If this can help tie in any loose ends it would be great but there does seem to be a brick wall facing us.

thanks once again for your interest.

I forgot to say that Mabel's father was shown as Albert Pearson (deceased) who was a builder.

Harry's father was given as Robert Hewitt (Seaman, Merchant Services) also deceased.

Thank you for showing an interest to help.

I can provide you with the following information;-
The marriage certificate is dated 27-07-1906, the marriage was solemnized at St mary magdalene Church, Upper North Street , Brighton. harry claimed to be 27 years of age and mabel 24 years. His occupation was Hotel Porter and stated a Bachelor. Mabel was down as a spinster with no profession or occupation. the residence at the time of the marriage was 8 upper gardener street Brighton and the witnesses were Daniel Donovan and Maria Nugent. St Mary Magdalene was a Catholic church.
Their son William Harry Hewitt born 11-07-1906 (registered on 21-08-1906)shows that Harry Hewitt was a Groom (Livery Stable) onlya month after saying he was a Hotel Porter on the marriage certificate. he was shown as a Domestic Groom in December 1910 when their second son Frederick John Hewitt was born in Hove on 11-11-1910. A distant family relative says that they believed that Harry and Mabel were divorced or separated (Catholic?) and that the 2 boys were put into the workhouse in Shoreham.
If this can help tie in any loose ends it would be great but there does seem to be a brick wall facing us.
thanks once again for your interest.

Thank you for showing an interest to help.

I can provide you with the following information;-
The marriage certificate is dated 27-07-1906, the marriage was solemnized at St mary magdalene Church, Upper North Street , Brighton. harry claimed to be 27 years of age and mabel 24 years. His occupation was Hotel Porter and stated a Bachelor. Mabel was down as a spinster with no profession or occupation. the residence at the time of the marriage was 8 upper gardener street Brighton and the witnesses were Daniel Donovan and Maria Nugent. St Mary Magdalene was a Catholic church.
Their son William Harry Hewitt born 11-07-1906 (registered on 21-08-1906)shows that Harry Hewitt was a Groom (Livery Stable) onlya month after saying he was a Hotel Porter on the marriage certificate. he was shown as a Domestic Groom in December 1910 when their second son Frederick John Hewitt was born in Hove on 11-11-1910. A distant family relative says that they believed that Harry and Mabel were divorced or separated (Catholic?) and that the 2 boys were put into the workhouse in Shoreham.
If this can help tie in any loose ends it would be great but there does seem to be a brick wall facing us.
thanks once again for your interest.

now we are spoilt for riches :-)

if his age was correct that makes him born in the first half of 1879 or second half of 1878 ( just turned 27 or about to be 28 )

I looked in the 1911 census doing a free search and there is no Harry Hewitt around that age who is a groom

I think we probably all saw the Harry Hewitt aged 6 in 1881 with father Robert who is a stone carver ... and that is the closest I find in censuses

I wonder whether he was really a Henry ?


one Harry in 1881 is not with parents

Name: Harry Hewitt
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: York Holy Trinity Micklegate
County/Island: Yorkshire

Matthew Strickland 61
Ann Strickland 55
Annie Strickland 12
Arthur Strickland 9
Albert Hewitt 2
Harry Hewitt 2
John Strickland 26
Hannah Strickland 24
Walter Strickland 4


there is no Hewitt Strickland marriage that would explain him


this one in 1881 could be interesting, people were sometimes called by middle names or nicknames if they were named for a parent

Name: Robert Hewitt
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Hewitt
Mother's Name: Sarah Hewitt
Gender: Male
Where born: Landport, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsea

Robert Hewitt 35 >> petty officer (navy)
Sarah Hewitt 34
Henry G. Metchear 14
Alice Metchear 13
William Metchear 10
Nelly Hewitt 4
Robert Hewitt 2

but he seems to be

Births Sep 1879
Hewitt Robert Albert Portsea 2b 534

Thanks, Malcolm, that helps a lot. Your lady's father was Albert Spooner, who was a joiner....complicated story but follow the thread above!

Will get on to it!

Best wishes

Kim

Anyone fancy this one in 1901?
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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TITT, Samuel S Head Married M 45 1856 Hotel Keeper
Fonthill Gifford
Wiltshire VIEW
TITT, Mary E Wife Married F 43 1858
Ireland VIEW
MCDONALD, Lilias F Servant Single F 24 1877 Hotel Book Keeper
Perthshire Crieff VIEW
WALPOLE, Elizabeth H Servant Single F 21 1880 Hotel Bar Maid
St Johns Wood
London VIEW
HEWITT, George Servant Single M 22 1879 Hotel Waiter
Old Croydon
Surrey VIEW
LODMAN, Harry Servant Single M 29 1872 Hotel Porter
Milford
Surrey VIEW
GRAY, Frederick W Servant Single M 29 1872 Hotel Porter
Lydd
Kent VIEW
SHEETER, Elizabeth Servant Single F 31 1870 Housemaid
Strood
Kent VIEW
PULSFORD, Ada Servant Single F 24 1877 Housemaid
Bridgewater
Somersetshire VIEW
VERE, Louisa Servant Single F 33 1868 Housemaid
Colden Common
Hampshire VIEW
PETTITT, Eliza Servant Single F 63 1838 Housemaid
Berwash
Sussex VIEW
SMITH, Ellen A Servant Widow F 59 1842 Stillroom Maid
Lewes
Sussex VIEW
WHITE, Eva Servant Single F 29 1872 Kitchenmaid
Tinbersconbe
Somersetshire VIEW
COOPER, John Visitor Single M 48 1853 Retd Mineral Water Manfr
Putney VIEW
COLE, Horace Visitor Married M 27 1874 Theatre Manager
Dawlish
Devonshire VIEW
COLE, Alice Visitor Married F 25 1876
Ilfracombe
Devonshire VIEW
SCIERBY, Harriet E Visitor Single F 30 1871
Harlow
Essex VIEW
AWARE, Mary L Visitor Widow F 31 1870 Living On Own Means
Maidehead
Berkshire VIEW
MARSTON, Ruth Visitor Single F 45 1856 Living On Own Means
Ross
Herefordshire VIEW

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Piece:
934 Folio:
69 Page:
15 Registration District:
Brighton

Civil Parish:
Brighton Municipal Borough:
Address:
2- 3, Queens Hotel, Kings Road, Brighton County:
Sussex



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census search

This looks to be the above in 1881....I'm not saying it is Malcolm's ancestor but I am wondering whether they were both economical with the truth when they married...perhaps one or both of the families were anti-catholic

Person: HEWITT, George
Address: 131, Church St, Croydon



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HEWITT, Charles Head Married M 34 1847 Clothier
London
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, Eliza Wife Married F 26 1855
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, Charles Son Single M 6 1875
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, Harry Son Single M 3 1878
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, George Son Single M 0 1881
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
LONG, Fanny Servant Single F 18 1863 Servant Domestic
Farley
Surrey VIEW

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Piece:
811 Folio:
20 Page:
33 Registration District:
Croydon

Civil Parish:
Croydon Municipal Borough:
Address:
131, Church St, Croydon County:
Surrey

Different Henry in 1891. Union Street could be very fairly described as Old Croydon:

1891 census - household transcription
Person: HEWITT, Henry
Address: 22, Union Street, Croydon

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HEWITT, James Head Married M 49 1842 Dealer
Shalford
Essex VIEW
HEWITT, Ann Wife F 39 1852
Portsmouth
Hampshire VIEW
HEWITT, Henry Son M 12 1879
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, Ann Daughter F 9 1882
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, Caroline Daughter F 8 1883
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, Maud Daughter F 2 1889
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HEWITT, George Son M 4 1887
Croydon
Surrey VIEW

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Piece:
588 Folio:
6 Page:
6 Registration District:
Croydon

Civil Parish:
Croydon Municipal Borough:
Croydon Address:
22, Union Street, Croydon County:
Surrey



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Update. From 1911 census Mabel Edith Pearson was at 102 Coleridge Street with William, Frederick the baby was being looked after by a nursemaid Fanny Clare in Hove. In 1911 the money from Harry to pay for Fredericks upkeep stopped and Frederick was put into Shoreham children's home. There is a Harry Hewitt in the 1911 census in Wormwood Scrubs which may explain his disappearance and the money being stopped.

If it's the one in the Scrubs, he was born Islington, 1877. I have to go out shortly but will be on to it when I get back. I have to say, I quite fancied the one from Croydon born to James and Ann, based on the fact that she was from Portsmouth and the possible suggestion that James may have previously been at sea.

If your Harry had a history, it is quite possible that he was being economical with the truth at the time of his marriage - Mabel certainly was!

Best wishes

Kim in Hull

Just to say thanks to everyone who is trying to help with the Harry Hewitt and

Mabel Edith Pearson. I am malcolms wife and Harry HEWITT was my great

grandfather. My grandad Frederick never knew his dad and on his death bed told me he thought he had a brother and asked me to find him. Sadly I found him 2 days after my grandad died, he was living locally and looked exactly like my grandad, I gave up my searching to find Harry after this after so many dead ends.But now my elderly mother is desperate to know who her grandad was and what happened to him. So a massive thank you to everyone helping.kind regards Gilly Blake.

This is most likely the Harry who was at His Majesty's Pleasure in 1911

Harry Hewitt
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Harry Hewitt
Mother's Name: Jane Hewitt
Gender: Male
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 111 Cottonham Rd
Education:

Piece: 278
Folio: 86
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Hewitt 33 bricklayer
Jane Hewitt 30
Harry Hewitt 5
Charles Hewitt 3
Elizth. Hewitt 1
Infant Hewitt
Annie Flax 33

This one's also in Islington in 1881:
Henry J. Hewitt
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick Hewitt
Mother's Name: Jane Hewitt
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 31 Blenheim Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 92a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 278
Folio: 55
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Hewitt 33 plasterer
Jane Hewitt 29
George J. Hewitt 10
Henry J. Hewitt 5
Louisa J. Hewitt 2
William A. Hewitt