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Hello everyone I hope soo much that you can help me.
I am tracing the paternal side of my family tree I have come to a standstill. My GG Father John Thomas Rogers was born in 1854 in Woolwich, England. I have most of the information about his marriage, children etc, however when I try to go back further I hit brick walls.
I know his father's name was Robert. It was on John's marriage certificate and also in 1871 England Census : Robert is listed as 44, a Laborer and lives with his wife Sarah and children John, Sarah, Rachell and Edward at 5 B?????? Buildings Woolwich Dockyard, Woolwich.
In this census Robert is listed as being born in Newcastle on Tyne.
I also know that around 1854-1857 the family sailed to Australia as Sarah b1857, Rachell b1858 and Edward's b1863 birth records are there. There were also two other children Ann b 1860 and Robert b1862 born in Australia. I do not know what happened to Ann or Robert as they do not appear in 1871 England Census. Obviously the family sailed back to England after Edward's birth in 1863. The reason for going to Australia in the first place is unknown to me.
Any information you could give me would be HUGELY appreciated.
Regards
Joan

Morning Joan

There is a tree on Ancestry with John's parents as Robert and Sarah
is it your's ?

Good morning...

Yes, it is mine unfortunately :-(

Ann's birth and Robert's

Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District Purchase Certificate
337/1860 ROGERS ANN J ROBERT SARAH SYDNEY Bu

You searched births for the given name robert and last name rogers (and the mother's given name sarah and the father's given name robert) in the
Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District Purchase Certificate
679/1862 ROGERS ROBERT ROBERT SARAH SYDNEY Buy Now

Thank you Quoy ...much appreciated :-)

so this is his birth ?

Births Sep 1854
Rogers John Thomas Greenwich 1d 543

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if you don't have that certificate, why not get it to learn both parents' names ?

then hopefully you could find their marriage, get that certificate to find their fathers' names ...

This might be worth a look' bearing in mind ages are only rough


1841 England Census about Robert Rogers
Name: Robert Rogers
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil parish: Monkwearmouth
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monkwearmouth
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 299
Book: 6
Folio: 17
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stephenson 70
Mary Stephenson 70
John Stephenson 30
James Stafford 7
William Rogers 50 mariner
Mary Rogers 40
Jane Rogers 6
Robert Rogers 2
William Farrless 12
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by 51 they,re in Deptford ?

1851 England Census about Mary Rogers
Name: Mary Rogers
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Wife
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Monk Wearmouth, Durham, England
Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Deptford St Andrew
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 2395
Folio: 494
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Rogers 41 mariners wife
Jane Rogers 15
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So if I buy the birth certificate it will definately have both names recorded? I am soo silly. Thank you order one immediately.

Thanks Lindsey.....I'll look into it. I will copy the information you found for future reference. I am going to order my GG Fathers birth certificate asap and hopefully that will shed new light.

Woolwich being a garrison town

could this be Robert Rogers

Robert Rogers Corporal
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Corporal
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Norham, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: Portman Barracks

going to Australia could have been part of his job

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Marriages Sep 1849
Amos George Greenwich 5 273
Butcher John Greenwich 5 273
Gray Fanny Greenwich 5 273
Ketteringham Elizabeth Greenwich 5 273
Lane Sarah Greenwich 5 273 <<<<<
Riding William Greenwich 5 273
Rogers Robert Greenwich 5 273 <<<<<
Soanes Lydia Maria Greenwich 5 273


1851 England Census
Name: Sarah Rogers [Sarah Smith]
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rebecca Smith
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Yarmouth, Essex, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: Woolwich Rd

Occupation: Nurse

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
Piece: 1587
Folio: 352
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Smith 64 - Readham, Norfolk
Hannah Smith 31 - daughter; Rope spinner; Yarmouth
Sarah Rogers 27
Rebecca Lane 2 - granddaughter; Greenwich
Robt Rogers 6 mo - Alderney Island


Births Dec 1848
Lane Rebecca Greenwich 5 239

Quoy you could be on to something! If his trip to Australia was part of his job would his family also have been allowed to go too? I really don't know much about reasons why the English came to Australia in those days other than as convicts

Quoy you could be on to something! If his trip to Australia was part of his job would his family also have been allowed to go too? I really don't know much about reasons why the English came to Australia in those days other than as convicts

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Thomas Rogers
Name: John Thomas Rogers
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1854
Father's Name: Robert Rogers Gunner royal artillery
Mother's Name: Sarah Rogers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich

Thank you Ozibird!!!!

this is mother Sarah in 1871

Name: Sarah Rogers
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: Oyermouth, Suffolk, England
[Yarmouth, Suffolk, England] ( did you correct it ? )

Civil parish: Woolwich
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Registration district: Woolwich

Robert Rogers 49
Sarah Rogers 47
John Rogers 17
Sarah Rogers 14
Rachell Rogers 10
Edward Rogers 8


so I think this is her in 1851

Name: Sarah Rogers
[Sarah Smith]
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rebecca Smith
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Yarmouth, Essex, England

Civil parish: Greenwich

Rebecca Smith 64 wife ( husband not at home )
Hannah Smith 31
Sarah Rogers 27 nurse
Rebecca Lane 2
Robt Rogers 6 MO grandson ( named for father ? )


but I don't see a Robert Rogers and Sarah Smith marriage

Ancestry has assumed that Smith was Sarah's name because the mother's name was Smith ...

but this seems to be them in 1841


Name: Rebecca Smith
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Registration district: Great Yarmouth

James Smith 56
Rebecca Smith 54
Sarah Smith 15

Ozibird confirmed that it is the correct birth registration

but you still need the certiificate to confirm Sarah's name

I see while I was compiling I wasn't the first to suggest Sarah Smith Rogers in 1851 :-)

from familysearch

name: Sarah Smith
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1824
baptism/christening place: YARMOUTH, ST. NICHOLAS', NORFOLK, ENGLAND
father's name: James Smith
mother's name: Rebecca
indexing project (batch) number: C00024-7
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1526328

Military in colonial Australia

From 1788 marines guarded English settlements at Sydney Cove and Norfolk Island; they were relieved in 1790 by a unit specifically recruited for colonial service, and in 1810 the 73rd Regiment of Foot became the first line regiment to serve in Australia. From then until 1870, 25 British infantry regiments and several smaller artillery and engineer units were stationed in the colonies. One role of the troops was to guard Australia against external attack, but their main job was to maintain civil order, particularly against the threat of convict uprisings, and to suppress the resistance of the Aboriginal population to British settlement.

Most transportation ceased between 1840 to early 1850s with some more going to Western Australia until the 1860s.

Ozi


Updated: Before 1870 each of the major ports in colonial Australia were defended by the British garrison troops from the Royal Garrison Artillery.

On the 1849 marriage cert - Robert Rogers to Sarah Lane, Sarah's fathere was named as - 'James SMITH Lane' - Mariner

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