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Re: Conyers look up 20th November 2011

Could anyone let me know if there is a document that would link the James Robert Conyers in the 1901/1911 Census records with the Matilda Ann (mother of James Robert Wilson ) birth records to confirm they are the same person ??

I think it leaves us with a made-up name on the marriage cert -his father WAS Robert but not Conyers -he was Wilson as we have already established fro birth registration and baptismal records, and as often happens fathers names (if the bride or groom were born out of wedlock) are made to agree with the name being used by said bride or groom.

As to why James Robert decided to take the name of his mothers first husband Edwin Conyers --who knows -maybe he didnt get on with Robert Wilson?

Gillian/Catherine

Marriage certificate states fathers name as Robert Conyers, not sure where this leaves us with the information supplied ? what do you think ?

Are there any parish records for the marriage of James Robert Conyers and Eliza Pickles 1883 ?

We are ordering the marriage certificate for James Robert Conyers and Eliza Pickles to confirm his fathers name, hopefully this will fit in with the information that you have supplied, thanks.

Joseph Priestley (who is with Matilda in 1841) was bap 27/9/1828 St Peters Leeds son of William and Mary
A william Priestley born 3/11/1805 and bap 8/12/1805 Leeds Holbeck son of Joseph

June,
Just because the couple are together and they say they are married in the 1861 census, doesn't mean to say that it is true.
They probably just said they were married to avoid any scandal. At least Robert recognised the children, which wasn't always the case.

In the 1861 census Matilda Ann is Married to Robert Wilson living with young James Robert and Matilda

Catherine thanks for putting the events in order, I can now understand where they all fit in.
Why do you think he adopted the 'Conyers' name as opposed to Wilson that is on his birth records ?

She certainly didnt marry Robert Wilson as he is married later censuses to an Elizabeth.
Thank you Catherine for putting it all together -she certainly was a busy lady!

I would say that she didn't marry Robert Wilson.

Matilda Ann Priestley married Edwin Conyers in 1859

1861 she had left her husband and was living with Robert Wilson to whom she had twins, James and Matilda Ann Wilson.

Edwin Conyers died, Matilda left Robert (or he too died) and she married James Ranson in 1868.

..........seems she had a busy time. ;-)

just to make things clearer:-

1871
Name: James Ranson
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Ranson
Mother's Name: Matilda A Ranson
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Household schedule number: 160
Piece: 4556
Folio: 98
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ranson 43

<<<< Matilda A Ranson 37

James Ranson 19
William H Ranson 14
Edward Ranson 12

<<<< Matilda A Ranson 10 (twins born and baptised as Wilson)
<<<< James Ranson 10

Mary J Ranson 9
Albert Ranson 6
Phillip Ranson 5



The Ranson family in 1861:-
James Ranson Elizabeth abt 1827 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Head Leeds, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Ranson James abt 1827 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Wife Leeds, Yorkshire
James Ranson James,Elizabeth abt 1853 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Leeds, Yorkshire
Elizabeth A Ranson James,Elizabeth abt 1854 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds, Yorkshire
William H Ranson James,Elizabeth abt 1856 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Leeds, Yorkshire
Edward Ranson James,Elizabeth abt 1860 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Leeds, Yorkshire
Emily Appleyard abt 1846 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Servant Leeds, Yorkshire

He looks to have been born and baptised as Wilson.

Name: James Robert Wilson
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1860
Parish: Leeds, St Saviour
Baptism Date: 20 Nov 1860
Father's Name: Robert Wilson
Mother's Name: Matilda Ann Wilson

Name: Matilda Ann Wilson
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1860
Parish: Leeds, St Saviour
Baptism Date: 20 Nov 1860
Father's Name: Robert Wilson
Mother's Name: Matilda Ann Wilson

When did she marry Robert Wilson ?

He and Matilda were both registered as Wilson 1860 Oct Q Leeds
Catherine has given the ref no earlier

Sorry a bit confused ! what do you think James Robert's surname was registered as at birth ?

The twin sister Matilda Ann also appears as Ranson 1871 after her mothers marriage to James Ranson
She marries 1878 Jun Q Leeds Mark Haley (as Matilda Ann C Ranson -a nod to the name Conyers?)
!881 at 31 Franchise St Leeds she andMark have a 5 monthold son Mark W Haley

James Robert Wilson and his twin sister Matilda Ann Wilson were both born 14/10/1860 and baptised 20/11/1860 Leeds children of Robert Wilson and Matilda Ann Wilson, so it would seem that Robert Wilson was the father of both

Thankyou for all the information researched, very much appreciated.

Regards

June

Or alternatively -looking at what Catherine has posted could it be that the reason Matilda Ann is not with her husband Edwiin in 1861 is not that she has returned to Ireland but that she has left him for Robert Wilson?
Seems to fit with age and place of birth for Matilda and James Robert's later profession as Cabinet Maker
Think the birth cert of James Robert wilson is needed to settle this