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jansmith

jansmith Report 6 Nov 2011 07:10

??? 1901 not finding this Beatrice anywhere else--could it be her using Bridgewater as surname ??
Name: Beatrice Bridgewater
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Shebbear, Devon, England
Civil parish: Newton St Petrock
Ecclesiastical parish: Newton St Petrock
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

jansmith

jansmith Report 6 Nov 2011 06:06

1901 - just for info
Name: Edith Sanders
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Sanders
Mother's Name: Ann Sanders
Gender: Female
Where born: Silverton, Essex, England
Civil parish: Devonport
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Great
County/Island: Devon

jansmith

jansmith Report 6 Nov 2011 05:58

looking back at the marriage index posted Robert/Edith this looks like her in 1911 -years married(6) and number of children(3) crossed out in red-so does that mean not living with husband? .and Robert is then married and not able to marry (this is what i have with my grandparents)

Reg. District: Plymouth Sub District: Plymouth North
Parish: Plymouth Enum. District: 19
Address: 21 Lime Tree Road Plymouth
County: Devonshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
KERR -, Edith Head Married F 28 1883 Silverton Devon
KERR, Ernest Son F 5 1906 Devonport Devon
KERR, Francis Son M 8 1903 Plymouth Devon
KERR, Robert Son M 1 1910 Devon Plymouth
SANDERS, Charles Father Widower M 73 1838 Eggbuckland Plymouth

Penny

Penny Report 5 Nov 2011 17:16

Christine, please reply here!

Point being, we really dont know what name she was born with, and of course, her birth might not even have been registered.

I wonder why she doesnt appear to have married Mr Kerr. not anywhere obvious anyway. Have you checked for marriages in Scotland?

Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2011 17:03

Christine Anne says that is the mum.
But again I can't find her marriage,
She has Jane Smart married Francis Burlington born @ 1845 Wiltshire/Somerset.Can't find him either!!


Maryb.

Penny

Penny Report 3 Nov 2011 16:56

I did see that - wondered if it was her mother

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 3 Nov 2011 16:38

There is another Burlington in the workhouse in 1881 (unmarried).

Name: Jane Burlington
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Frome, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Wolborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: "Newton Abbot Union Workhouse" Newton Abbot
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dress Maker

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Newton Abbot
ED, institution, or vessel: Newton Abbot Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2166
Folio: 91
Page Number: 10


Penny

Penny Report 3 Nov 2011 15:59

Bum! prob means she ( in watever guise she was using) was away from the locality and ust said ''Newton Abott '' or ''devon''

Potty

Potty Report 3 Nov 2011 15:24

Ancestry has 70 people b 1875 +/- 5 born Wolborough. No Mary Ann, No Burlington and one Beatrice:

Name: Beatrice Cornish
[Beatrice Simpston] - this is wrong - her mother is Elizabeth A Cornish-Bowden, living on own means, son a veterinary student. Don't think this could be "our"Beatrice. There is a birth reg for this one in 1879.
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ethel C Simpston
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolborough, Devon, England

Penny

Penny Report 3 Nov 2011 14:27

I wonder how many people show on the 1901 census as born Wolborough ( Without looking back, was that the place name?) about the right age?

Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2011 14:11

I wonder who the informant was on death cert of Robert D Kerr 1936.

Sorry if thats already been asked.

Maryb.

Potty

Potty Report 3 Nov 2011 12:28

This looks like the birth reg of the Roland who died 1887. His birth cert might give some clues:

Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
Burlington Roland Newton Abbot 5b 135

Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2011 10:01

I think Christine has Wilfred Sydney Burlingtons and Reginald born 19/11/1910.
Both saying Beatrice Kerr formerley mary ann Burlington,if I remember correctly.

Maryb

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 3 Nov 2011 08:12


Penny has made a good point, need to ponder that one!

I wonder if Christine has birth certs for other children, I would be interested to see what the mother's name is recorded as.

Christine, do have another go at posting on here. If you look just below all these replies you will see an empty box. Just type in it and click 'submit'.

Jan

Perchino

Perchino Report 3 Nov 2011 08:02

Does this help from Wikipedia:

Registration of a deed of change of name is not a legal requirement in the United Kingdom. A standard legal document, with stock wording, filled in by the person making the deed poll, and signed in presence of a witness, carries sufficient legal authority to be recognized. The witness need not be a solicitor but can be anyone over the age of 18 independent of the person changing their name.

I have looked for old Deed Poll records and can find no trace of the name change being registered.

Penny

Penny Report 3 Nov 2011 07:22

I seriously wonder if they are one & the same lady - Mary & Beatrice . I wonder if you could ( two women) go along to the registrar & register the child, say ''I gave birth to him but she's going to be is mother''

Sounds bizarre but.....

Perchino

Perchino Report 3 Nov 2011 06:27

pm received.
Mother's name change is shown on a child's birth certificate (1908).

Mother :
Beatrice Kerr formerly Mary Ann Burlington

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Nov 2011 20:42

Good find Mary - it can't be that common a name can it, especially in the right area.
I would be tempted to get that cert if it were me.
Jan

Mary

Mary Report 2 Nov 2011 20:35

Her brother Roland born 1877 died I think as Rowland Burrington in 1887 Newton Abbott,as Roland can't be found after 1881.

Her son Wilfred Sydney died as Burlington 1964.

Could this be Mary Ann Burrington born @ 1875 died Exeter Devon
J/F/M 1948 7a 388.

If she didn't marry and her real name was Mary Ann then could it be a possibility??

Maryb.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Nov 2011 20:31

Another PM! I have also explained how to post onto here:

What I am trying to find is records of my grandmother especially her death where when how?Looking at my father's birth cert,she was born the above name then changed to Beatrice Kerr,but I can find no record of a Birth/Marriage or Death cert??