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Sorry everyone - I missed your replies! Thanks VERY much for all the extra info - brilliant! :-D

I have a possible marriage for grt grand daughter Janice, and possible contact details, if you are interested. Not sure how much she would know about the family history but I guess she might be interested or have some old family documents, being the eldest grandchild.

Good spotting Sylvia! Seems she is about 10 yrs too old unfortunately (unless she was fibbing about her age! maybe that could be why he left?!)

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It is Alethea on the image


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about AL_Thes Oswin

Name: AL_Thes Oswin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 246 (click to see others on page)




sylvia

Chn of Frederica Jessie and George BANKS (grandchildren of Fredk Jno & Jane Maria OSWIN), all born Kalgoorlie except Marsden & Vida, born in Perth district:

Leah Jessie 1909, m. Leslie Jno MAYNARD 1941, d. 14/7/1995 aged 86
Thos George Oswin 31/7/1910, m. Muriel Ethel REYNOLDS 1937, d. 3/12/1993 aged 83
Eunice Constance 1911, m. Leslie Fredk TREADWELL 1951, d. 9/7/1982 aged 71
Lois Margaret 1913, m. Arthur Jno Hy BILLYEALD 1943, d. 20/2/1997 aged 83
Malcolm Frederick 1/5/1914, m. Margaret Jean EDWARDS 1943, d. 6/2/1991 aged 76
Garland 5/6/1915
Oswin 6/4/1917
Henry Jourdan (Harry) 20/12/1918
George 15/5/1921, d. 6/8/2007 aged 86
Marsden 3/3/1925
Vida 1927
Rica 1929, m. Wm Douglas STAFFORD 1950
Beth 1931, m. Jno Howard SNOWDON 1956

All of the sons enlisted in WWII. See http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/index.aspx

I notice that Frederick John did show himself as Married on the 1881 census, even if he wasn't living with Alithea.




sylvia

Looks like 2nd wife Jane Maria (nee CHALLINDER) went from Victoria to Western Australia:

OSWIN J M MRS 29 WOLLOWRA JUL 1903 FREMANTLE VIA PORTS JUL 1903

Their daughter Frederica married there in 1908 in East Coolgardie district (Kalgoorlie) to George BANKS (reg 51).

Her death as Maria:

The West Australian, Monday 15 May 1944, p.1
OSWIN.----On May 13, 1944, suddenly, at North Beach, Maria Oswin, of 10 McCourt-street, West Leederville. widow of the late John Frederick Oswin, dearly beloved mother of Rica (Mrs George Banks) and fond grandmother of Leah (Mrs L. Maynard), Tom, Eunice, Lois (Mrs J. Blllyeald), Malcolm (AIF), Garland (POW), Oswin (AIF), Harry (AIF), George (RAN), Marsden (RAN), Vida, Rica and Beth, and great-grandmother of Janice: aged 82 years.
OSWIN.-On May 13, suddenly, Maria Oswin, dear Gran of Tom and Muriel Banks and Great-Gran of Janice. Fond memories.


Note the marriage of Fredk John & Jane Maria has his birthplace as London and hers as Manchester. Appears she had a brother named Wm Hy Lear CHALLINDER, also born Manchester, who lived in Sandhurst in the 1870s-80s too. He was an ironmoulder.

There seem to be quite a lot of Alithea Smiths, unfortunately! I'm off out now - will check board when I get back. Thanks everyone! :-)

That would be par for the course - Ann Bongard turns up as Ann Oswin long before the bigamous marriage to Richard!

?? remarriage Alethea Smith London Kensington Mar Qtr 1889 1A 186 to Robert Clark or George Henry Durnford

EDIT - Alethia and Robert Clark found 1891 Queens Rd Croydon. She is stated as b 1862 b Reading, so not right.

There doesn't seem to be any record of her after the 1881 so maybe she lived with someone and took their surname but didnt marry them

Next question - when did Alithea (Smith) Oswin die? Or have we got a 2nd bigamist in the family??? Frederick's uncle Richard Oswin, my great great grandfather, was a bigamist, and he also travelled the world as he was a steward on steam ships. Hmmm. :-S

Brilliant - many thanks. I found a wrong age on an emigration list too - his grandfather Charles Oswin was put down as 45 when he arrived in America in 1855 but he should have been 54!

The tree is free here:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/h/a/Wayne-J-Challinder-Villawood/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0190.html

I have just found a tree on Ancestry that has Jane Maria Challinder's and Frederick John's details and time line. If you want to make contact with the tree owner just PM me your e mail address and i will contact them for you. The owner is a direct descendent of their daughter Frederica.

His arrival in Australia?

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Fred Oswin Name: Fred Oswin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 25
Arrival Date: 31 Mar 1887
Arrival Port: Hobart, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Gulf of Venice
Nationality: English

Edit: just noticed he's 10 years too young but can't view original to see if it's mistranscription.

This is getting complicated! Why were they living apart in 1881??? Or if he was visiting his parents, why isn't he listed as visitor? Hmmm again!

Alithea Smith Pedigree
Female Family
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Parents:
Father: William Smith Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: Frederick John Oswin Family
Marriage: 28 SEP 1879 Greenwich, Kent, England

Anne - thanks - I've got him before his marriage, he just vanishes after it!
Oh, but he married in 1879 yet was at home with his parents (and without his wife) in 1881! Hmm.
Astra - so it looks as if they did emigrate - I presume that's Victoria, Australia? Many thanks both.

very elusive this looks like him on the 1871 census]

OSWIN, Frederick Head M 44 1827 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Caroline E Wife F 49 1822 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Frederick J Son M 19 1852 Middlesex VIEW >>>
OSWIN, George Son M 17 1854 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Caroline F Daughter F 17 1854 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Charles Father M 69 1802 Middlesex VIEW
HODGKINSON, George E Lodger M 54 1817 Nottinghamshire VIEW
HODGKINSON, Edmund H Lodger M 13 1858 Middlesex VIEW
WHITE, Hannah Servant F 36 1835 Norfolk VIEW

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