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Thanks one and all................i think Amelia was trying to stay "lost" n 1861

Pam ;-)

Hi BatMans Daughter,
Amelia certainly married William Hardy in Utah. That part of her life is well documented .......but I did not kknow much about him or his family. She seems to have forgotten about Goerge at home ha ha ha. :-D

Could be this family???

1861 England Census
about Fanny Hardy Name: Fanny Hardy
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Hardy
Mother's Name: Sarah Hardy
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Alverstoke
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Alverstoke
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 175
Piece: 645
Folio: 50
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
William Hardy 51 born Road, Somerset
Sarah Hardy 44
Grace Hardy 21
William Hardy 11
Fanny Hardy 4

sailing on the sme ship and time as Amelia;

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about W Hardy Name: W Hardy
Arrival Date: 25 Jul 1871
Birth Year: abt 1812
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Colorado


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Wm T Hardy Name: Wm T Hardy
Arrival Date: 25 Jul 1871
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Colorado


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Fanny Hardy Name: Fanny Hardy
Arrival Date: 25 Jul 1871
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Colorado

Thanks PricklyHolly.....for that info....is it a boarding house or something of that nature. Lots of people there ? :-D

Patchem...found Georgina for 1871. She is working as a servant.
Can't find George Francis Newland b.1858 Portsea. I was hoping he was with his mother but he may have gone with another relative. :-( :-(

From Ancestry...


1871 England Census
about Amelia Newland
Name: Amelia Newland
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Ropley, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Hale
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester St Mary
Town: Hale
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Fordingbridge
Sub-registration district: Fordingbridge
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Geffedge 73
Jane Geffedge 75
Trena Geffedge 46
Sophia Scott Plummer 43
Charles Scott Plummer 49
Jane Eliza Plummer 12
Eliza Sophia Plummer 7
Charles Henry Plummer 11
Joseph Walter Plummer 9
Frances Dennes 55
Amelia Newland 50 (Cook)
Amanda Sterman 20
Mary Ann Miller 37
Elizabeth Ann Lome 22
Harriet Self 16
Alfred Miles 32
Edward Harrison Tame 22
Frederic Eyre 26
Marie Hoffhen 28
Elizabeth Whitby 55
Ellen Parsons 26
Martha Gayton 20

Hi again...I cannot get on to the 1871 Census with Amelia Newland at Hale Fordingbridge Hampshire.....does GR not have this record.. I have tried some of the other names on the list .no luck.

Pam :-D

Over 3000 people on Colorado in 1871, cannot see Eyre or Sterman, will continue looking.

Added:
No Gayton, Geffedge, Lome.
Have stopped.

BatMans Daughter.................will look at this one. This could well be a group of Mormons traverling to US later. Has anyone got acess to the passenger list for "Colorada" going to New York 12 July 1871 :-D

I keep coming across this, but I cannot work out her martial status;

1871 England Census
about Amelia Newland Name: Amelia Newland
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Ropley, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Hale
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester St Mary
Town: Hale
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Fordingbridge
Sub-registration district: Fordingbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1183
Folio: 87
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Geffedge 73
Jane Geffedge 75
Trena Geffedge 46
Sophia Scott Plummer 43
Charles Scott Plummer 49
Jane Eliza Plummer 12
Eliza Sophia Plummer 7
Charles Henry Plummer 11
Joseph Walter Plummer 9
Frances Dennes 55
Amelia Newland 50
Amanda Sterman 20
Mary Ann Miller 37
Elizabeth Ann Lome 22
Harriet Self 16
Alfred Miles 32
Edward Harrison Tame 22
Frederic Eyre 26
Marie Hoffhen 28
Elizabeth Whitby 55
Ellen Parsons 26
Martha Gayton 20

Hi All....and thanks for your interest.
1. Patchem..................there is a possibility that Amelia was "hiding" from George Newland.......but I can't find him either. 1861
2. Amelia does not show up in the 1871 census, even though she did not leave England til July 1871
3. that could be daughter Mary in 1871. She did go with her mother in July. It could be that the family had broken up by 1871 I will check the 1871 for more of the children.
4. Yes.........I have George Newland in 1871 and Ann a daughter who remained in England.

Thanks again.
PS to Penny...father was thomas Knight but I have all his info thanks. It's just Amelia is elusive in 1861 and 1871 <3

I have tried to find Georgina, any Georgina, in 1861:
Births Sep 1855
Newland Georgina Portsea 2b 299
Was Amelia completely estranged from her husband and hiding from him?
Completely different names for the 'family'?

Added:
Cannot see husband in 1861, either, and as he comes from Windsor Berkshire and was living in Portsea in 1871 he is fairly obvious without any name in 1851.

Groom's Name: George Newland
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Amelia Knight
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 01 Dec 1844
Marriage Place: Hambledon,Hampshire,England
Groom's Father's Name: William Newland
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Knight
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13661-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1041207

I assumed this was Mary in 1871 - so Amelia should also still be showing in 1871?
Mary Newland
Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Nurse
Gender: Female Where born: Kingstone, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Alverstoke County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Alverstoke Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 94 Piece: 1149 Folio: 111 Page Number: 25

Edmund Lunnon 55
Maria Lunnon 24
George Lunnon 2
Rosa M Lunnon 4
Albert Lunnon 2
Infant 1 Week
Mary Newland 22

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1149; Folio: 111; Page: 25; GSU roll: 827790.

Amelia's father was 'who', where when did he die?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Amelia Newland Name: Amelia Newland
Arrival Date: 25 Jul 1871
Birth Year: abt 1821
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Colorado

Travelling with;
Mary, 23
Sarah, 19
Georgina, 16

The daughter Mary shows in the 1871 census, so must be there in the 1861 census.
Have you got George's 1871 census?
Also, what other children were alive in 1861?

Amelia Newland joined the Mormons and move to Salt Lake City 1871 after the death of her father and leaving her husband George behind in Portsmouth. She took most of the children.

Pam :-D

There are lots of trees on ancestry stating that Amelia married William Hardy and died in Utah USA in 1896.