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Why did you do that I knew Hetty was not her thats why I deleted it to save any confusion.

There was no legal adoption until 1927 so they could use their birth name if they chose to...sometimes they took the new families name

jax

Hope you are not using credits to look up births marriages and deaths when it is free here

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

not necessarily


don't forget there weren't any legal adoption procedures until 1927


you could try to trace up whether there was any relationship between the adoptive parents and Hilda's mother ...... eg, the wife's maiden name.




sylvia

No, proper adoptions didnt start until about 1928 so she may well have kept her name,

Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Hoggett Albert Edward Thetford 4b 609
Offord Fanny Thetford 4b 609

their only child

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Hoggett Emma Louisa Thingoe 4a 733

Lets consolidate what we know about her mother who is alive and well

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
MIZEN Esther Dartford 2a 727
PRYER Peter Philip Dartford 2a 727

PRYER, Peter Philip Head Married M 25 1886 Labourer On Farm Kingsdown Kent VIEW
PRYER, Esther Wife Married
2 years F 30 1881 Eriswell Suffolk VIEW
PRYER, Edith Lilian Daughter F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Fawkham Kent VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3807 Reference:
RG14PN3807 RG78PN144 RD43 SD4 ED14 SN44

Registration District:
Dartford Sub District:
Farningham Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Fawkham

Address:
Sun Hiil Fawkham Longfield Kent

Name: Esther Pryer
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1960
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 783


Name: Peter Philip Pryer
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1885
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1973
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Samford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 3417


I cannot see what happened to Edith but she may have registered Peters death?

Their are seven people apart from yourself that have Esther in their tree and three have Hilda

Are you in contact with any?

jax

I had used the credits before I read your post. I had found your Hetty on Ancestry, but I thought as you had come up with it so quickly, you had found something I could not. Am in coantact with all of them and Hilda is on their trees though me. I have found new relatives that we didn't know existed. we are the illegitimate line as Esther went on to get married and have two other children. Edith only died in 2007 but I have made contact with the other Daughter's family which we are delighted about. Thank you for your help. I will try and follow up the Myer lead.

1901

Name: Esther Mizen
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Mizen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mizen
Gender: Female
Where born: Eriswell, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Mildenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Mary
Town: Mildenhall
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:High Lodge Farm

Occupation: General Servant (Domestic)

Condition as to marriage: Single


Registration district: Mildenhall
Sub-registration district: Mildenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 1757
Folio: 119
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
James Mizen 58 Foreman on Farm
Elizabeth Mizen 57
Jonah Mizen 20 Stockman on Farm
Esther Mizen 20
Ella Mizen 11

All born Eriswell, Suffolk, England


1891

Name: Esther Mizen
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Mizen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mizen
Gender: Female
Where born: Eriswell, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Eriswell
Ecclesiastical parish: Eriswell
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: Cottage

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mildenhall
Sub-registration district: Lakenheath
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1453
Folio: 12
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
James Mizen 49 Ag. Lab.
Elizabeth Mizen 46
Ruth Mizen 15
Mabel Mizen 13
John Mizen 10
Esther Mizen 10
Bertha Mizen 5
Ella Mizen 1


1881

Name: Esther (Twin) Mizen
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Mizen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mizen
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Eriswell
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: Mill Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mildenhall
Sub-registration district: Lakenheath
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1846
Folio: 17
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Mizen 38
Elizabeth Mizen 36
Mary E. Mizen 14
Phoebe Mizen 11
Naomi Mizen 9
Ruth Mizen 5
Mabel A. Mizen 3
Jonah (Twin) Mizen 3 months
Esther (Twin) Mizen 3 months


1871

Name: James Mizen
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mizen
Gender: Male
Where born: Eriswell, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Eriswell
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Mildenhall
Sub-registration district: Lakenheath
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 1730
Folio: 16
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
James Mizen 28
Elizabeth Mizen 26
William Mizen 7
Elizabeth M Mizen 4
Phoebe Mizen 2
Naomi Mizen 3 Months

???
Marriages Mar 1864
Mayes Eliza Risbridge 4a 471
Missen James Risbridge 4a 471

FMP have allowed my name correction from Myer to Mizen on the 1911 census

No people werent adopted through the courts until 1927, so she kept her birth name..

Her name may look like myer but on the image the Z of mizen is written like a long 3 > mi3en if you had credits enough to scroll through that particular enumerators hand writing I.m sure other z's look the same

By the time she died the workhouse was more like an infirmary, maternity ward etc
not a place to be ashamed of.