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ref; my Eliza Mcgee nee rowson,have since found the birth cert.(after taken nearly 3 years!)of her daughter,Sarah Ellen Wheat.Have got in touch with lost cousin ,who was able to tell me,Sarah had a half brother with the surname,Marsden.Marston or Marson??So eventually have found "My Sarah" as born in 1894 12th feb.(we know this as her birth date) mothers name Elizabeth Marsden formerly Lockett!
As Elizabeth being the same person as Eliza,goodness knows!But just to let all those that helped,that ,I found my grandmother,Sarah. ;-)

I think the evidence gievn on page 2 shows that she was never pickles and didn't marry James McGee

came up again with James Mcgee m Eliza Pickles Liverpool 1889!How did she get from Rowson to Pickles!Back to the draft board!

hello,I was going by surname Rowson on Eliza Mcgee marriage cert. to Thomas Birchall in 1914(Elizas dad being Thomas Rowson deceased)Her agebeing 46 years in oct.1914,making her birth 1868.Therefore i found the Staffordshire birth for 1868.
Eliza died in nov. 1923 age 54?
Found Eliza in 1871 census with Thomas and Eliza Rowson age 2?Then in 1881 census age 12?So will look into the info you have given and her birth year.Thanks for that :-D

Can I ask again
How do you know the eliza we are looking for was born in Stoke on trent.?Do you know that she is from there or is it that the birth date matches and the fathers name on the wedding cert with the fathers name on the census of 1881.

Could Rowson have been mistrancribed as rawson on a marriage to McGee?

I looked at Hannah Davenport one baptised st Johns Longton 18april 1858 mother elizabeth Davenport.
Then there is a death of an elizabeth davenport 1q1861. Hannah's mother seems not to be married,.
therefore for hannan to be a niece of thomas, thomas must have married a davenport- so eliza ( senior)nee davenport? I couldn't spot a marriage for them either

I find it strange that eliza was 44 in 1871and had two children 2 or under and no older ones.
albert died a year old in december quarter 1871.
all very interesting but getting us no near the mcgee connection

seems Eliza wasnt a Pickle after all!Think i will try and get her birth cert.will verify her parents names.How she got from Rowson to Mcgee is a mystery.Not unless her real father was a Mcgee and Rowson step father..........kind regards to all :-) :-)

If the 1914 marriage cert. states that Eliza's father was Thomas Rowson, then surely the marriage Pickles/McGee can not be her!

Here she is in:-
1871

Name: Eliza Rowson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Rowson
Mother's Name: Eliza Rowson
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 2874
Folio: 72
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Rowson 44
Eliza Rowson 44
Eliza Rowson 2
Albert Rowson 6 Months
Hannah Davenport 18 - Niece

Here's that 1889 Pickles/McGee marriage:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Eliza Pickles, spinster of Dansie Street
Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 29 Jul 1889
Parish: Liverpool St Silas, Pembroke Place
Spouse's Name: James McGee, bachelor. A mariner from S Paul Sq
Father's Name: Gustavas Pickles < French Polisher
Spouse Father's Name: Robert McGee (Deceased) Carpenter

** Suppose it rules this one out.

found Charles in 1891 census and 1901 census,but no Eliza.with him.Gonna have to cook some dinner now,will be back!kind regards to all.

on 4 oct 1881 a charles allerton married sarah wass aged 36 in dresden ( almost Longton- borders it)
but it seems that it was a different charles allerton.
eliza's uncle had father thomas allerton - yes another thomas and the one who married sarah had father samuel

It seems that charles allertonb stoke 1838 was still in longton in 1891. but again I don't have full access to the census.

perhaps a view of that census will show if either eliza is still with him.
He may have taken over the fathers role for eliza

How do you know that Eliza was born in longton staffs? and that the censusof 1881 was her family?

where is elizas mother eliza in 1891 and where is her uncle charles allerton b 1838
perhaps eliza is with them with a mistranscribed name. It has happened before.I didn't find a death for eliza senior in the stoke on trent area, so perhpas they moved

Mmmmmm how did Rowson become Pickles !!!!!!!!!

Thank you.So Elizas father as deceased on her marriage to Thomas in 1914 is correct!I know its not always,they tended to tell porkies at times :-)

how did rowson become pickles?

Elizas father thomas died 3q 1881 stoke on trent aged 55 freebmd 6b 129

thank you so much for all your help :-D
I have found Thomas Birchall on 1861 census but not again til 1911.Have found Rowson family in 1871 and 1881 census.
Apart from 1911 census for Gladys,cant find her anywhere else.But her surname could be something else??
I have just found me "Pickles"Eliza Pickles married to James Mcgee 1889 by jove that could be it!!If I get the cert.it will have her fathers name on. :-DI really appreciate all those that have spared the time to help.

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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HARGRAVES Lucy Liverpool 8b 241
HUGHES Howard Liverpool 8b 241
McGee James Liverpool 8b 241
Pickles Eliza Liverpool 8b 241




1911

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NEWMAN, Simon Head Married M 83 1828 Sea Man Newcastle VIEW
NEWMAN, Jessie Wife Married
21 years F 66 1845 Scotland Findon VIEW
NEWMAN, Samuel Son Single M 19 1892 Labourer Newcastle VIEW
TURNER, Robert Boarder Single M 45 1866 Carter Newcastle VIEW
MCGEE, James Boarder Married M 45 1866 Labourer Cumb Workington VIEW
WADDINGTON, John Waite Boarder Single M 26 1885 Clogger Lancs Everton VIEW
NIXON, Joseph Boarder Single M 27 1884 Labourer Newcastle VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30633 Reference:
RG14PN30633 RG78PN1754 RD558 SD4 ED18 SN171

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
St Nicholas Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
St Nicholas

Address:
Castle Square County:
Northumberland

Regards vera

This one?

Looks like her maiden name may have been Pickles, and she was born Oldham:

MCGEE, Eliza Wife Married 21 years F 43 1868 Liverpool Lancashire
PICKLES, Elizabeth Sister Single F 53 1858 Oldham Lancashire
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Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Wavertree
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: Wavertree

Address: 46 Granville Road Wavertree Liverpool County: Lancashire