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Just nudging up for reference as I am working on it.

Dea x

Alathea's maiden name was HEELEY - as per info posted some time ago by Flick

'Grandma Oswald' could be on the other side of the family

Who was your father?

You say he was born to Barnes/Parker in 1929

These are the births of children of the marriage between Barnes and Parker (nee Heeley)

Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Barnes S**** Heeley Worksop 7b 96

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Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
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Barnes B**** Heeley Worksop 7b 88

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Births Mar 1936 (>99%)
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BARNES C******** M Heeley Worksop 7b 93


What does your father's birth cert say - exactly - about his parents?

Is this his birth?

Births Mar 1929 (>99%)
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BARNES John H Parker Ecclesall B. 9c 582

sorry i am only just getting back to you all,
i work as a driver and am away most of the time .
Reggie
you have my fathers birth correct.(last entry)
what i know of my grandfather is he married Alithea in 1918, she was widowed and was called parker( born Alithea Heeley),
the info i cannot find out is what happened after my father was born as he ended up in rochdale with three females and the woman who he says was his mother.
i have a photo of him at around 4 years old on great grandma oswalds knee.
this is my interest, flick and all the people have helped in getting me to where i am now ,so near but miles away.
thanks to everyone who has got me to here
thanks to Dea who is checking my tree. :-D :-D

I AM still working on it - I promise you Ronald!

I just can't pull it all together yet! :-(

On the surface of it, it looks like your grandfather married Alithea and they eventually split up or she died.

While this was going on - Gertrude married Fred Walter(s) and they split up/divorced???

Then at some stage they got together and 'lived happily ever after' ???

I don't think Fred died until 1970 (IF this is him) ??

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Frederick Alfred Walters Name: Frederick Alfred Walters
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Heywood
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 1057

I will keep looking and come back as soon as I have anything useful.

Dea Xxx

P.S. - I really suspect a divorce, or something similar for Gertrude as why would she have been known as Grandma Oswald rather that Grandma Walters???

Dea x

sorry to throw a spanner in the works Dea ,my older brother remembers grandad barnes turning up at the family home around birthdays.
it is specificaly the naming of my aunt ann and the date and the M M N on my fathers birth cert.

Ronnie
just found an Alathea m barnes getting married in derbyshire in the 1950s? did she get diviorced and go home.

SO, did Grandad Barnes not live with Grandma Oswald then ?

Dea x

unsure Dea
from what little i was told growing up i would say no.
i did not know any of my grandmas gran oswald died the month i was born.
its a mess.
ronnie

But were Grandad Harry Barnes and Gertrude Oswald both named as parents on the birth certs of your father and your aunt or were they just on your aunt's and Alithea on your father's ?

Dea x

To whom was Alathea married in the 1950's?

I can't understand why your father's birth shows MMN PARKER.

Do you actually have possession of the cert? If not, you need it.

This is them Reggie:

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Charles Bower Name: Charles Bower
Spouse: Althea M Barnes
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1959
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 322

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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alethea M Bower Name: Alethea M Bower
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1968
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 129


Dea x

Thanks Dea

As Alethea re-married as Barnes, the assumption must be that she was divorced from Harry Barnes, unless he died before 1959.

When DID he die?

Who is the Aunt Ann to whom you refer?

You say 'gran Oswald' died during the month in which you were born.

When was that?

This is extremely confusing Reggie :-(

I have found SO much info but none of it adds up.

Dea x

Reggie - she died as 'Walters' !!!

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1961
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WALTERS Gertrude 64 Heywood Rochdale H/13/53

Annie was born in Sheffield in 1924 - sister to John!

Dea x

This one? With a different MMN..............

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Barnes Annie O Oswald Sheffield 9c 1068


As you say, Dea, very confusing.

Ronald

Do you have ANY paperwork ,or are you working only from what you have 'heard'?

Ronnie.

Can we start with your father and work back please - ignoring what you have found and just working on the facts that you 'know'.

Who was he brought up with as a child and who were his brothers and sisters etc. ?

I believe he is still 'with us' ? Could you give us ONLY the details that he remembers please and NOT those that you have since found.

Thanks,

Dea x

hi dea and Reggie
dad is still alive but is in a home with dementia, he remembers sheffield including the schools his three sisters went.
florence was a walters mmn oswald annie o barnes mmn oswald margret barnes mmn parker john harry barnes mmnparker.

Sorry to hear that Ronald.

This IS extremely complicated isn't it ??

Was he brought up by Gertrude? - Was there a 'father figure' around at all ?

Dea x

I note that you have Gertrude's father as Michael but I believe this to be her on 1911 and it doesn't quite fit ??

OSWALD, Walter Head Married M 41 1870 Fire Beater Lancashire Manchester VIEW
OSWALD, Margaret Wife Married 18 years F 35 1876 Home Lancashire Blackburn VIEW
OSWALD, Walter Son Single M 18 1893 Apprentice To Core Making Lancashire Blackburn VIEW
OSWALD, Gertrude Daughter Single F 14 1897 Weavers Tenter Lancashire Hollingworth Lake VIEW
OSWALD, John Son Single M 11 1900 School Lancashire Rochdale VIEW
OSWALD, William H Son Single M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Home Lancashire Rochdale VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24640 Reference:
RG14PN24640 RG78PN1413 RD470 SD4 ED6 SN36

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
Spotland and Norden Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Rochdale

Address:
17 Holland St Rochdale County:
Lancashire

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Do you have any thoughts??

I do note though that the marriage you have for Michael does seem to fit::

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

OSWALD Michael Martin GRIFFITH Margaret Almond Blackburn, Holy Trinity Blackburn Blackburn CE5/2/265

Dea x

What certs do you have please?

Dea x