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Can anyone please help me find anything on George Gepp born about 1801.
I have details from the 1841 census living at 74 Eaton Place Mews, St. George, Hanover Sq, but would love something on his date and place of birth
Thanks in anticipation
Steve Gepp

Who was he married to?

Tracey x

According to the 1841 census he was NOT born in the county of Middlesex nor were his wife and children.

Married to Elizabeh b. 1801, children Elizabeth 1826, Sarah 1827, Hannah 1830 and Jane 1832.

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1287667

Interesting find Flick, altho not too many answers were found before.

Steven, you could have simply refreshed your original post and added 'still looking' to your title.

It's against the sites T&C's to duplicate a request, and it'll get peoples backs up if they redo work already done.

You'd be better off deleting this one and adding the amendment to your original post of Dec 10th and nudging it up the boards.


regards

Tracey x

Thanks, Flick, I just re-did work that was already done. Fortunately it wasn't much.

Thanks so much everyone
Sorry Wayne - I don't know how I managed to make two posts, except to say that the memory cells aren't as good as they once were!
How do I add an amendment to the first post and nudge it up?
Meantime I will work on what you have all given me - I have found it very difficult to find anything on the Gepp's later than my gg Grandfather b1845. So once again thanks
Steve :-)

Looking at the census records in general, the surname GEPP seems to be mainly an Essex name............

When you say 'later' than 1845.................do you actually mean 'earlier'? Just to avoid confusion.....................

What was the first name and birthplace of the man born c1845?

Are you 100% certain that the George you seek is your line? If he died, as you think, in 1844, he can't appear on a census with your great-grandfather

Name: George Bayley Gepp
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Oct 1824
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1823
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Gepp
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 580912
_____________________________________________________

Name: Elizabeth Bailey Gepp
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Aug 1825
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1825
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Gepp
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 580912
Reference Number:
_______________________________________________________

Name: Sarah Gepp
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 22 Jul 1827
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 02 Jul 1827
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Gepp
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 580912
Reference Number:
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Hi Flick - thanks for all your work
Sorry for the confusion - I did, of course, mean earlier than 1845 (message typed early hours of the morning!)
I have a copy of the birth certificate of George Gepp b30/01/1845, his mother Elizabeth, but no father (duh!). Registered in St. George, Hanover Square, Mayfair. (cert ref: BXCD 642004/120)
I am 99.9% certain that he is my GG Grandfather.
Sorry will get back to you later - my living relatives require my attention right now!
Steve

Sorry, but if his mother's name was GEPP, the chances of his father having the same surname must be miniscule

Name: George Gepp
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Inferred County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 42

Also, if you think that the man who died in 1844 fathered an illegitimate child virtually on his deathbed, I think you are being somewhat unrealistic


Who is George (1845) living with on census returns?

Have you researched the line from yourself back to 1845 with documents to prove every link?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George Bayley Gepp
Name: George Bayley Gepp
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 19 October 1823 *************
Baptism Date: 4 Oct 1824
Father's Name: George Gepp
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gepp
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address just Marylebone and father George is a Servant.

Yeah Ok Flick - re; George b1845 from his birth cert. - obviously we don't know the name of the father, but I assume he has taken his mother's name.
Obviously the George who died 1844 was Elizabeth Gepp's father.
I have George b1845's marriage cert. 25/12/1868 to Elizabeth Bouffler, both resident in Queen Street, Clerkenwell. His father IS mentioned - George Gepp, Coachman. Maybe that was bending the truth?! I had doubts that I had the right birth cert. for him, but I could not find anybody else that fitted.
I have researched my Grandfather and Great grandfather before researching George b1845, quite thoroughly and have documentation.
I will go through it all again in the near future and get back to you and all others who have contributed to the thread
Thanks to you all and Merry Christmas
Steve :-)

Right.....I think I now know what you are trying to say................it wasn't by any means clear from your earlier posts

George born 1845 was iillegitimate.......and you think that his mother was the daughter of the man on the 1841 census.......and is the maternal line

Was the mother named ONLY as Elizabeth?

And....to repeat my earlier question.......do you have him on census records?

As you say, his naming of a father when he married is almost certainly a fabrication......to save 'face'

Another point you must take into account is that, until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births.............so the 1845 cert may not be connected..........and the man who married in 1876 may not have had his birth registered

Name: Elizabeth Bouffler
Spouse Name: George Gepp **********Occupation: SMITH
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1868
Parish: Myddelton Square St Mark
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Bouffler
Spouse Father Name: George Gepp
Register Type: Parish Register

On the birth cert. of George b1845 the mother is shown as Elizabeth Gepp.
In the spaces for the father's name and occupation are just entered ditto marks.
Birth date is 30/01/1845 at Mount Street, North...., in the registration district of St. George, Hanover Sq, sub-district of Mayfair.
He does not appear in the 1851 or 1861 census, but is in the 1871 census in 12 Queen St. Clerkenwell, with his wife Elizabeth Bouffler and family - it confirms he was born in St George's (ref RG10/380).
He appears in the 1881 census in Clerkenwell and in the 1891 census in Finchley, Barnet
The censi put his birth year as 1844, but the cert. I have quotes Jan 1845 so that could be right.

Censuses record approx birth years based on declared age

IF the age he gave was accurate, his birth could not have been as late as 1845

Did you take on board the info about births before 1875?

Yes, of course, Flick - I have taken on board and understood all that you have informed me of.
I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that people on here have access to records that the layman does not not have access to.
So I was hoping that someone here might be able to help me, since I seem to have hit a "brick wall" with the Gepp's.
As I said, I am 99.9% certain of my gg grandfather b1845 but from his mother and her parentage it all starts to go a bit vague.
Steve :-)